WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.033 The International Women's Commission for a Just 2 00:00:02.033 --> 00:00:05.100 and Sustainable Palestinian-Israeli Peace was 3 00:00:05.100 --> 00:00:07.868 founded in 2005 to promote the representation of women of all 4 00:00:07.868 --> 00:00:10.868 levels of the peace negotiations. 5 00:00:10.868 --> 00:00:13.901 Naomi Chazan is a former deputy speaker of the Israeli Knesset, 6 00:00:13.901 --> 00:00:17.067 also a professor of political science. 7 00:00:17.067 --> 00:00:20.400 Maha Abu-Dayyeh Shamas is the founder and director of the 8 00:00:20.400 --> 00:00:23.801 Women's Center for Legal Aid and Counseling in East Jerusalem. 9 00:00:23.801 --> 00:00:27.100 They are both longtime peace and human rights activists. 10 00:00:27.100 --> 00:00:30.400 I'm pleased to have them here to talk about their work and their 11 00:00:30.400 --> 00:00:33.367 hopes and their aspirations, what we should know about their 12 00:00:33.367 --> 00:00:36.000 perspective on Israeli-Palestinian peace. 13 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.667 Tell me about the International Women's Commission for a blah, 14 00:00:38.667 --> 00:00:41.300 blah, blah. 15 00:00:41.300 --> 00:00:43.934 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: It is a commission 16 00:00:43.934 --> 00:00:46.567 made up of 20 Israeli 17 00:00:46.567 --> 00:00:50.234 women, 20 Palestinian women and 20 international women. 18 00:00:50.234 --> 00:00:53.901 All women represent various sectors of -- from grassroots 19 00:00:53.901 --> 00:00:57.400 activists up to political representatives, in parties or 20 00:00:57.400 --> 00:01:00.567 in legislative councils, Knesset in Israel. 21 00:01:00.567 --> 00:01:04.100 So we bring with us experience from our various backgrounds. 22 00:01:04.100 --> 00:01:07.400 I'm a human rights activists, but we have also people who have 23 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.901 been in politics and grassroots activism. 24 00:01:10.901 --> 00:01:13.767 And we have been working together for over 20 years. 25 00:01:13.767 --> 00:01:16.801 We've been talking when nobody was talking. 26 00:01:16.801 --> 00:01:19.334 The Palestinian, Israeli women were talking when the guns were 27 00:01:19.334 --> 00:01:21.834 speaking too. 28 00:01:21.834 --> 00:01:24.300 This is before the commission 29 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:27.267 was founded in 2005. 30 00:01:27.267 --> 00:01:30.567 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: Before the commission was found. 31 00:01:30.567 --> 00:01:34.234 We have very difficult times together. 32 00:01:34.234 --> 00:01:37.834 We broke down talking to each other several times, and as a 33 00:01:37.834 --> 00:01:40.801 result of this long experience of talking to each other, we 34 00:01:40.801 --> 00:01:43.634 realized that we had to think something else new to be able to 35 00:01:43.634 --> 00:01:46.033 move to the next step of being -- maintaining the negotiations 36 00:01:46.033 --> 00:01:48.200 amongst us. 37 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:50.467 And that is when the international 38 00:01:50.467 --> 00:01:53.133 component was introduced. 39 00:01:53.133 --> 00:01:56.133 That was in 2005. 40 00:01:56.133 --> 00:01:58.667 And we have it under the U.N. 41 00:01:58.667 --> 00:02:01.367 umbrella, which is also another dimension that we really needed 42 00:02:01.367 --> 00:02:04.601 to have, an umbrella that we both felt safe and that would 43 00:02:04.601 --> 00:02:07.300 hold us together. 44 00:02:07.300 --> 00:02:09.801 And now the talking is, you know, we come with statements. 45 00:02:09.801 --> 00:02:12.601 We take one-third of the time we used to take 46 00:02:12.601 --> 00:02:14.934 when we started out. 47 00:02:14.934 --> 00:02:17.167 How long have you two known each other? 48 00:02:17.167 --> 00:02:19.133 We've known each other I think for 49 00:02:19.133 --> 00:02:20.834 about 17, 18 years. 50 00:02:20.834 --> 00:02:22.601 Seventeen or 18 years? 51 00:02:22.601 --> 00:02:26.534 Yes. Yes. 52 00:02:26.534 --> 00:02:28.601 How did you first meet, just talking about 53 00:02:28.601 --> 00:02:31.133 Israeli-Palestinian conflicts? 54 00:02:31.133 --> 00:02:33.267 Yes, obviously in that context. 55 00:02:33.267 --> 00:02:35.367 But I can say that I have been -- I'm slightly older that Maha. 56 00:02:35.367 --> 00:02:37.634 I have been talking to Palestinian women for over 30 57 00:02:37.634 --> 00:02:40.167 years now. 58 00:02:40.167 --> 00:02:42.968 Tell me what you have accomplished. 59 00:02:42.968 --> 00:02:45.601 I think we've accomplished several things. 60 00:02:45.601 --> 00:02:48.901 Look, the most important thing to date, frankly, is that after 61 00:02:48.901 --> 00:02:52.367 all this talking and working together, we have accomplished a 62 00:02:52.367 --> 00:02:55.133 common political platform. 63 00:02:55.133 --> 00:02:59.133 We are together, with one voice, committed to a two-state 64 00:02:59.133 --> 00:03:03.367 solution, a resolution of the conflict in a fair and just and 65 00:03:03.367 --> 00:03:06.167 lasting way. 66 00:03:06.167 --> 00:03:08.968 We know that we won't be able to actually subsist if not exist 67 00:03:08.968 --> 00:03:11.767 unless there is a Palestinian side alongside -- Palestinian 68 00:03:11.767 --> 00:03:14.567 state alongside Israel, and that we are living 69 00:03:14.567 --> 00:03:20.267 in peace with each other. 70 00:03:20.267 --> 00:03:22.734 And we have not only the broad outline, but also the details of 71 00:03:22.734 --> 00:03:25.067 that solution. 72 00:03:25.067 --> 00:03:27.300 So the first thing is that we have a 73 00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:29.501 common political platform. 74 00:03:29.501 --> 00:03:31.734 So you have solved the question of 75 00:03:31.734 --> 00:03:34.234 Jerusalem, you've solved the question of right of return, 76 00:03:34.234 --> 00:03:36.367 you've solved the question of borders, you've solved the 77 00:03:36.367 --> 00:03:38.534 question of settlements, you solved the question of -- 78 00:03:38.534 --> 00:03:41.133 We've agreed on the principles of 79 00:03:41.133 --> 00:03:44.133 all of those things. 80 00:03:44.133 --> 00:03:46.634 Some of us have been involved in Geneva; others were involved in 81 00:03:46.634 --> 00:03:49.200 the formal negotiations in Taba and elsewhere. 82 00:03:49.200 --> 00:03:52.400 In other words, we're not coming without any 83 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.400 serious political experience. 84 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.868 But we have a common political platform. 85 00:03:58.868 --> 00:04:02.367 We have a very clear vision of the kind of future that we want 86 00:04:02.367 --> 00:04:05.801 to live with each other when we grow older. 87 00:04:05.801 --> 00:04:08.868 And also, what we want our children to do when they live 88 00:04:08.868 --> 00:04:12.467 with each other in peace. 89 00:04:12.467 --> 00:04:16.734 And that common vision, we know where we want to go. 90 00:04:16.734 --> 00:04:20.200 Can I add one other thing? 91 00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:23.133 We not only know where we want to go, but we have developed a 92 00:04:23.133 --> 00:04:26.133 system of trust that, in a sense, we understand each other. 93 00:04:26.133 --> 00:04:28.968 We know when we agree. 94 00:04:28.968 --> 00:04:32.367 We know when we disagree. 95 00:04:32.367 --> 00:04:36.033 I think Maha will accept that. 96 00:04:36.033 --> 00:04:39.334 We have a way of working with each other. 97 00:04:39.334 --> 00:04:42.767 Every single day we prove on the ground that it's possible. 98 00:04:42.767 --> 00:04:45.701 And that's very, very important. 99 00:04:45.701 --> 00:04:48.367 And how did you learn to trust each other? 100 00:04:48.367 --> 00:04:51.434 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: Over the years, we had to learn to 101 00:04:51.434 --> 00:04:54.000 trust each other. 102 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.868 And we knew that if -- first of all, we are committed to 103 00:04:56.868 --> 00:04:59.267 understanding each other and hearing each other out, and it's 104 00:04:59.267 --> 00:05:02.033 our lives at stake. 105 00:05:02.033 --> 00:05:04.868 And we know that there is no resolution to our conflict 106 00:05:04.868 --> 00:05:07.634 through military means. 107 00:05:07.634 --> 00:05:09.968 It's got to be a negotiated settlement and agreement. 108 00:05:09.968 --> 00:05:12.567 And if we cannot do it, who have come from human rights 109 00:05:12.567 --> 00:05:14.968 backgrounds, feminist backgrounds, the others are not 110 00:05:14.968 --> 00:05:17.434 going to do it. 111 00:05:17.434 --> 00:05:20.000 So the important thing is when you come to an agreement, you 112 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.200 don't backtrack on it. 113 00:05:22.200 --> 00:05:25.167 You are committed to what you agree. 114 00:05:25.167 --> 00:05:28.200 If the full stop is after the end of the 115 00:05:28.200 --> 00:05:31.334 sentence, it doesn't change. 116 00:05:31.334 --> 00:05:34.033 And we have to agree on every -- every dot and letter that we -- 117 00:05:34.033 --> 00:05:37.100 of the documents that we have negotiated. 118 00:05:37.100 --> 00:05:40.801 And over the years, and experienced taught us that, yes, 119 00:05:40.801 --> 00:05:44.400 we can trust each other. 120 00:05:44.400 --> 00:05:47.968 We are the kind of women who are committed to the principles 121 00:05:47.968 --> 00:05:51.434 and the values that we share, and these are basic human values 122 00:05:51.434 --> 00:05:54.901 and that are of international nature, that has nothing to do 123 00:05:54.901 --> 00:05:57.834 -- you know, that has to do with human beings who are committed 124 00:05:57.834 --> 00:06:01.067 to those principles and values, who are active in the fields of 125 00:06:01.067 --> 00:06:04.234 human rights, who are working towards human 126 00:06:04.234 --> 00:06:07.133 rights, human dignity. 127 00:06:07.133 --> 00:06:09.767 We are seeking for people's security. 128 00:06:09.767 --> 00:06:12.267 And these are the issues that will keep us going. 129 00:06:12.267 --> 00:06:14.400 Are women different at this than men? 130 00:06:14.400 --> 00:06:16.467 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: I think women, yes. 131 00:06:16.467 --> 00:06:18.667 Of course, we are different. 132 00:06:18.667 --> 00:06:20.834 I expected that -- 133 00:06:20.834 --> 00:06:22.734 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: Yes, yes -- 134 00:06:22.734 --> 00:06:24.534 Is that a bad question or a good question? 135 00:06:24.534 --> 00:06:26.133 No, it's a good question. 136 00:06:26.133 --> 00:06:27.801 We have an answer. 137 00:06:27.801 --> 00:06:31.133 Well, all right. 138 00:06:31.133 --> 00:06:33.067 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: The women coming from our 139 00:06:33.067 --> 00:06:34.801 backgrounds, yes. 140 00:06:34.801 --> 00:06:36.634 Look at the context from -- and analyze the context in a 141 00:06:36.634 --> 00:06:38.834 different way, that we understand the power balances 142 00:06:38.834 --> 00:06:40.801 and imbalances very well. 143 00:06:40.801 --> 00:06:44.767 We know what has to be avoided. 144 00:06:44.767 --> 00:06:48.234 We know that things that can, if they are not resolved, we'll 145 00:06:48.234 --> 00:06:51.100 have a fragile situation. 146 00:06:51.100 --> 00:06:53.767 The woman on the 147 00:06:53.767 --> 00:06:56.267 How do they deal differently? 148 00:06:56.267 --> 00:06:58.868 Can I jump in and help out? 149 00:06:58.868 --> 00:07:00.667 Yes, please. 150 00:07:00.667 --> 00:07:02.501 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: On the women's issues. 151 00:07:02.501 --> 00:07:04.300 How do we deal with -- 152 00:07:04.300 --> 00:07:06.100 Help us understand why we need more women 153 00:07:06.100 --> 00:07:07.934 involved in this process. 154 00:07:07.934 --> 00:07:09.834 Oh, for lots of reasons. 155 00:07:09.834 --> 00:07:12.434 Number one, you need our experience. 156 00:07:12.434 --> 00:07:14.767 Yes. 157 00:07:14.767 --> 00:07:17.133 Number two, you need our creativity. 158 00:07:17.133 --> 00:07:19.200 All along the road for the past 20, 30 years, we have been one 159 00:07:19.200 --> 00:07:21.801 step ahead of the game. 160 00:07:21.801 --> 00:07:24.367 When the men were talking about whether they should talk, we 161 00:07:24.367 --> 00:07:26.567 were talking. 162 00:07:26.567 --> 00:07:29.000 When they were talking together about a two-state -- about 163 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.400 self-determination, we were talking about 164 00:07:31.400 --> 00:07:33.667 a two-state solution. 165 00:07:33.667 --> 00:07:36.067 When they were wondering what to do about Jerusalem, we were 166 00:07:36.067 --> 00:07:38.133 talking about sharing Jerusalem. 167 00:07:38.133 --> 00:07:39.901 And it goes on and on and on. 168 00:07:39.901 --> 00:07:41.801 The only thing is I think it's fairly clear where we are going. 169 00:07:41.801 --> 00:07:43.801 So you need -- 170 00:07:43.801 --> 00:07:46.267 OK. 171 00:07:46.267 --> 00:07:48.734 (inaudible) worked out differences in say the Geneva 172 00:07:48.734 --> 00:07:51.901 accord that was worked out 18 months ago? 173 00:07:51.901 --> 00:07:55.067 Yes and no, because you also need the 174 00:07:55.067 --> 00:07:58.000 atmosphere and you need the process. 175 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.734 We will go back and forth, a hundred times if necessary, so 176 00:08:00.734 --> 00:08:03.567 that we will get the consensus that can make it work. 177 00:08:03.567 --> 00:08:06.501 And we have patience. 178 00:08:06.501 --> 00:08:10.000 We have something that men have not displayed, and that is 179 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.033 perseverance, a great deal of it. 180 00:08:14.033 --> 00:08:17.567 We just keep going at it, because we want to make it work, 181 00:08:17.567 --> 00:08:21.334 and right now we are worried that we're getting towards a 182 00:08:21.334 --> 00:08:24.601 situation where we don't have too much time left before things 183 00:08:24.601 --> 00:08:28.133 really get even worse than they are. 184 00:08:28.133 --> 00:08:31.400 And just one other thing about what we have to contribute, I 185 00:08:31.400 --> 00:08:34.200 think, that men don't. 186 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.634 And that is new perspectives on some of the issues. 187 00:08:36.634 --> 00:08:39.734 Can I give you two examples? 188 00:08:39.734 --> 00:08:42.267 Please. 189 00:08:42.267 --> 00:08:45.534 OK. 190 00:08:45.534 --> 00:08:48.701 Number one, when we talk about security, what 191 00:08:48.701 --> 00:08:52.133 do we mean by security? 192 00:08:52.133 --> 00:08:55.467 Is security only security against threats by guns or by 193 00:08:55.467 --> 00:08:59.033 bombs or by air raids? 194 00:08:59.033 --> 00:09:03.467 Or is security also human security? 195 00:09:03.467 --> 00:09:07.934 And -- human security in the sense of economic security and 196 00:09:07.934 --> 00:09:11.868 social security and educational security. 197 00:09:11.868 --> 00:09:15.033 If we reframe some of the issues and expand them in such a way 198 00:09:15.033 --> 00:09:18.534 that physical security becomes part of a different vision of 199 00:09:18.534 --> 00:09:21.434 security, it is a very good example. 200 00:09:21.434 --> 00:09:24.501 That is one example. 201 00:09:24.501 --> 00:09:27.033 I have more, but I will let Maha jump in here. 202 00:09:27.033 --> 00:09:29.701 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: Yes. 203 00:09:29.701 --> 00:09:32.067 And also, we think that this is a very crucial period. 204 00:09:32.067 --> 00:09:34.934 That's why we are here. 205 00:09:34.934 --> 00:09:37.801 Because now, there is talk about Annapolis meeting. 206 00:09:37.801 --> 00:09:40.701 Right. 207 00:09:40.701 --> 00:09:43.567 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: And we feel like 208 00:09:43.567 --> 00:09:46.434 this is a very crucial 209 00:09:46.434 --> 00:09:50.434 stage we are at in terms of our conflict. 210 00:09:50.434 --> 00:09:54.033 Another failed peace process is going to be very explosive (ph). 211 00:09:54.033 --> 00:09:57.200 Not only for Israeli-Palestine, but for the whole region. 212 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.234 We want to ensure that we bring our understanding, we bring our 213 00:10:00.234 --> 00:10:03.334 experience to the process, to make sure that it comes to 214 00:10:03.334 --> 00:10:06.133 concrete results and agreements. 215 00:10:06.133 --> 00:10:08.968 And we want to make sure that the third parties ensure the 216 00:10:08.968 --> 00:10:11.901 implementation and the respect of the agreements. 217 00:10:11.901 --> 00:10:16.234 And that's why we are here. 218 00:10:16.234 --> 00:10:20.167 We want to speak to the various decision-makers. 219 00:10:20.167 --> 00:10:23.367 Members of Hamas also members of the commission? 220 00:10:23.367 --> 00:10:26.801 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: No, no. 221 00:10:26.801 --> 00:10:30.501 Because they haven't come out speaking about 222 00:10:30.501 --> 00:10:34.434 the two-state solution. 223 00:10:34.434 --> 00:10:37.868 We have a very clear political document here, which is based -- 224 00:10:37.868 --> 00:10:41.000 which talks about resolving the conflict on the basis of the 225 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.234 two-state solution, with Jerusalem as the capital for two 226 00:10:44.234 --> 00:10:46.901 -- two capitals for two states. 227 00:10:46.901 --> 00:10:48.968 Hamas hasn't come out expressing, anybody -- 228 00:10:48.968 --> 00:10:51.033 Or even recognizes the right of Israel 229 00:10:51.033 --> 00:10:53.100 to exist. 230 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:54.834 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: Anybody who signs on 231 00:10:54.834 --> 00:10:56.534 our position paper 232 00:10:56.534 --> 00:10:58.267 is welcome to join. 233 00:10:58.267 --> 00:11:00.000 Do you have hopes of convincing 234 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:01.734 Hamas women to --? 235 00:11:01.734 --> 00:11:05.100 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: I think in every society -- 236 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:08.501 -- to convince their leadership to -- 237 00:11:08.501 --> 00:11:11.367 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: I think in every society, there are 238 00:11:11.367 --> 00:11:14.467 those elements who look only -- who want to live in the dreams 239 00:11:14.467 --> 00:11:17.767 or have their dreams, but also there are 240 00:11:17.767 --> 00:11:21.434 realities on the ground. 241 00:11:21.434 --> 00:11:24.834 Those minorities will come with the majority, and the majority 242 00:11:24.834 --> 00:11:28.667 of the Palestinians and the majority of the Israelis, 243 00:11:28.667 --> 00:11:32.467 according to the polls, want to have a negotiated settlement for 244 00:11:32.467 --> 00:11:35.567 the conflict that is between us. 245 00:11:35.567 --> 00:11:38.567 And so on both sides, the right wing will be refusing to 246 00:11:38.567 --> 00:11:41.601 cooperate, will be criticizing, and will try to undermine on 247 00:11:41.601 --> 00:11:45.100 both sides. 248 00:11:45.100 --> 00:11:48.701 We want to be an integral part of the Middle 249 00:11:48.701 --> 00:11:52.067 East, and an integral part of the Middle East, living in 250 00:11:52.067 --> 00:11:55.968 security with our neighbors, means that we have to recognize 251 00:11:55.968 --> 00:12:00.133 the rights of the Palestinians that lived in our midst. 252 00:12:00.133 --> 00:12:03.934 They deserve a state alongside Israel. 253 00:12:03.934 --> 00:12:07.601 And if this is the vehicle for the creation of the 254 00:12:07.601 --> 00:12:11.200 stabilization of the area, this is what Israel has dreamed of. 255 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.133 This is what -- I was born a couple of years before the 256 00:12:14.133 --> 00:12:16.667 creation of the state of Israel in Jerusalem. 257 00:12:16.667 --> 00:12:19.167 I, frankly, this has been my lifetime dream. 258 00:12:19.167 --> 00:12:21.534 And if -- 259 00:12:21.534 --> 00:12:23.901 To live in peace. 260 00:12:23.901 --> 00:12:26.234 Not only to live in peace -- 261 00:12:26.234 --> 00:12:28.567 Side-by-side with the Palestinians. 262 00:12:28.567 --> 00:12:30.901 To live in peace and to be an 263 00:12:30.901 --> 00:12:33.234 integral part and a 264 00:12:33.234 --> 00:12:37.167 legitimate part of the Middle East. 265 00:12:37.167 --> 00:12:41.200 And for that to be achieved, we have to understand that two 266 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.067 people live on the land, and we have to share it. 267 00:12:45.067 --> 00:12:49.501 And if we don't, respect each other and each others' rights 268 00:12:49.501 --> 00:12:53.868 and human dignity, then we won't be respected in our rights and 269 00:12:53.868 --> 00:12:57.467 human dignity, will not be legitimated either. 270 00:12:57.467 --> 00:13:01.000 So, yes, you know, at this stage, a Palestinian state 271 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.300 alongside Israel is the key to Israel's security 272 00:13:04.300 --> 00:13:06.968 and Israel's survival. 273 00:13:06.968 --> 00:13:09.667 And a vast majority of Israelis understand that. 274 00:13:09.667 --> 00:13:12.334 Does Palestinian leadership listen to -- 275 00:13:12.334 --> 00:13:15.100 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: Yes, we have met with 276 00:13:15.100 --> 00:13:17.868 Abu Mazen, and we 277 00:13:17.868 --> 00:13:20.601 have a decree, a presidential decree, that basically makes 278 00:13:20.601 --> 00:13:23.367 legal -- I mean, it's like a law -- that talks 279 00:13:23.367 --> 00:13:26.133 about the need for 280 00:13:26.133 --> 00:13:30.567 having women in -- to participate in any kind of 281 00:13:30.567 --> 00:13:35.033 political negotiations towards a settlement of Israel-Palestine, 282 00:13:35.033 --> 00:13:38.701 but also women in all sectors or kind of public life activities. 283 00:13:38.701 --> 00:13:41.968 But also, I think if Palestinians don't live a life 284 00:13:41.968 --> 00:13:44.901 in security and human security and dignity, there cannot be 285 00:13:44.901 --> 00:13:48.133 settlement even for Israel. 286 00:13:48.133 --> 00:13:51.767 And I wanted to underscore that. 287 00:13:51.767 --> 00:13:55.334 I think they have the need, but also we have the need. 288 00:13:55.334 --> 00:13:59.033 And that why it is important to have a state in Palestine that a 289 00:13:59.033 --> 00:14:02.100 Palestinian government can -- is able to rule and prosper and 290 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:05.267 protect its people. 291 00:14:05.267 --> 00:14:08.033 And if people don't feel secure, it's not going to be secure for 292 00:14:08.033 --> 00:14:10.601 the neighbors too. 293 00:14:10.601 --> 00:14:12.834 And it is in the interest of Israel to have a secure neighbor 294 00:14:12.834 --> 00:14:15.300 next to them. 295 00:14:15.300 --> 00:14:17.801 Thank you for coming. 296 00:14:17.801 --> 00:14:20.234 Good luck. 297 00:14:20.234 --> 00:14:22.434 >>MAHA ABU-DAYYEH SHAMAS: Thank you. 298 00:14:22.434 --> 00:14:24.467 Thank you. 299 00:14:24.467 --> 00:14:27.601 Good luck. 300 00:14:27.601 --> 00:14:27.767 Thank you.