WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.234 --> 00:00:00.934 Marc Maron is here. 2 00:00:00.934 --> 00:00:03.501 He is a comedian and host of the popular podcast, 3 00:00:03.501 --> 00:00:05.567 WTF with Marc Maron. 4 00:00:05.567 --> 00:00:09.434 The podcast recently celebrated its 700th episode. 5 00:00:09.434 --> 00:00:12.467 He's also the star of the loosely biographical IFC series, 6 00:00:12.467 --> 00:00:14.400 "Maron," season four. 7 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:17.100 The comedy premiers this Wednesday, May 4th. 8 00:00:17.100 --> 00:00:19.934 Here is a look at the new season. 9 00:00:19.934 --> 00:00:26.033 (MUSIC) 10 00:00:26.033 --> 00:00:27.534 All right, everybody, before we get to 11 00:00:27.534 --> 00:00:31.234 today's interview, I think it's time to address 12 00:00:31.234 --> 00:00:33.434 the pink elephant in the room. 13 00:00:33.434 --> 00:00:38.067 Many of you have read or seen stuff about me on the internet, 14 00:00:38.067 --> 00:00:41.934 on Reddit, on Twitter, you know, in the blogosphere. 15 00:00:41.934 --> 00:00:44.601 It's time to set the record straight. 16 00:00:44.601 --> 00:00:48.501 Several months ago, I experienced an injury 17 00:00:48.501 --> 00:00:51.067 and I started using prescription pain medication. 18 00:00:51.067 --> 00:00:53.701 And as some of you know, if you are a recovering addict, 19 00:00:53.701 --> 00:00:56.634 pharmaceuticals can be a slippery slope. 20 00:00:56.634 --> 00:00:59.334 And I slipped, all right, 16 years of sobriety 21 00:00:59.334 --> 00:01:01.234 down the drain. 22 00:01:01.234 --> 00:01:03.667 I will say this, I nipped it in the bud, 23 00:01:03.667 --> 00:01:05.868 it's water under the bridge, no harm, no foul. 24 00:01:05.868 --> 00:01:08.334 And if you want to Tweet me some other cliches, feel free, 25 00:01:08.334 --> 00:01:10.834 but I think I covered them all, OK. 26 00:01:10.834 --> 00:01:15.868 But you know, Marc Maron is doing just fine. 27 00:01:29.534 --> 00:01:31.834 Marc Maron is doing just fine 28 00:01:31.834 --> 00:01:33.868 and he's back at this table, welcome. 29 00:01:33.868 --> 00:01:35.801 Doesn't look good. 30 00:01:35.801 --> 00:01:39.400 Marc Maron does not look like he's doing fine there. 31 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:40.901 This one is. 32 00:01:40.901 --> 00:01:42.100 Don't want anyone to panic. 33 00:01:42.100 --> 00:01:42.868 So there's two things here, 34 00:01:42.868 --> 00:01:44.634 one is what happened. 35 00:01:44.634 --> 00:01:45.133 Yeah. 36 00:01:45.133 --> 00:01:46.901 Number two, the telling of it. 37 00:01:46.901 --> 00:01:48.367 Well, what happened was at the end of 38 00:01:48.367 --> 00:01:51.534 the last season, for some reason I decided to relapse 39 00:01:51.534 --> 00:01:52.434 on pain killers. 40 00:01:52.434 --> 00:01:54.000 Seemed like a nice story. 41 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:55.033 Were you in pain? 42 00:01:55.033 --> 00:01:56.901 No, I didn't really -- I didn't really do it, 43 00:01:56.901 --> 00:01:57.601 Charlie. 44 00:01:57.601 --> 00:01:58.467 I'm OK. 45 00:01:58.467 --> 00:01:59.901 I just want to let all my fans know that 46 00:01:59.901 --> 00:02:01.567 this is not based on real life. 47 00:02:01.567 --> 00:02:03.000 OK. 48 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.667 Well, in the show I was in pain. 49 00:02:04.667 --> 00:02:07.534 And we didn't know really how to end the season. 50 00:02:07.534 --> 00:02:09.834 And then when you do television you don't know when it's going 51 00:02:09.834 --> 00:02:11.000 to be your last season. 52 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:14.000 So each season should have a fairly clear ending. 53 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.701 And for some reason, I thought that having me on the floor 54 00:02:17.701 --> 00:02:20.534 babbling during the big opportunity that I've just 55 00:02:20.534 --> 00:02:25.434 blown, hosting a talk show because I'm high on oxycodone. 56 00:02:25.434 --> 00:02:28.534 That seemed like a reasonable place to end the series for me. 57 00:02:28.534 --> 00:02:29.534 But we're back. 58 00:02:29.534 --> 00:02:30.467 And you know enough people who've 59 00:02:30.467 --> 00:02:31.434 been through that. 60 00:02:31.434 --> 00:02:32.234 I do. 61 00:02:32.234 --> 00:02:35.067 You know, it was -- the real challenge became when we got 62 00:02:35.067 --> 00:02:37.067 renewed and they wanted to do more shows. 63 00:02:37.067 --> 00:02:39.000 I didn't know what we would do. 64 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:41.734 I did not want to go back to the world we've established 65 00:02:41.734 --> 00:02:44.267 because we've sort of done it, done my whole life in that way. 66 00:02:44.267 --> 00:02:45.567 I didn't want to be redundant. 67 00:02:45.567 --> 00:02:47.767 So, it sort of hit me all at once, well, we just 68 00:02:47.767 --> 00:02:49.634 leave him where we left him. 69 00:02:49.634 --> 00:02:52.667 That he's been out using Oxy's for a year, he lost everything. 70 00:02:52.667 --> 00:02:55.367 And now we come back, we have a completely different show. 71 00:02:55.367 --> 00:02:56.467 Marc has nothing. 72 00:02:56.467 --> 00:02:57.801 He's on drugs. 73 00:02:57.801 --> 00:02:58.734 And we got to get him cleaned up. 74 00:02:58.734 --> 00:03:01.100 We got to get him transitioned back into life. 75 00:03:01.100 --> 00:03:04.434 And we got to get him to make big decision about his future. 76 00:03:04.434 --> 00:03:06.234 So it has a nice narrative arc. 77 00:03:06.234 --> 00:03:07.501 What do you think the people -- 78 00:03:07.501 --> 00:03:08.868 the listeners are buying into? 79 00:03:08.868 --> 00:03:11.000 I mean, do you think they are buying into, this is, in fact, 80 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.000 a reflection of his life, or are they simply saying he's created 81 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.033 this character, it has nothing to do with him at this stage. 82 00:03:19.033 --> 00:03:21.467 Well, I think what they know about me, and if 83 00:03:21.467 --> 00:03:23.767 they've been watching the show and listening to the podcast, 84 00:03:23.767 --> 00:03:26.400 is there are a lot of stories that are based on reality. 85 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:28.601 They're executed differently, it's television. 86 00:03:28.601 --> 00:03:29.534 But this will be -- 87 00:03:29.534 --> 00:03:30.901 And the professional life is 88 00:03:30.901 --> 00:03:31.701 a little bit of the same. 89 00:03:31.701 --> 00:03:33.067 Sure, exactly. 90 00:03:33.067 --> 00:03:34.834 But this season is a complete departure. 91 00:03:34.834 --> 00:03:37.367 And I think that because of the last three seasons, 92 00:03:37.367 --> 00:03:40.901 and people knowing me, know that I am sober, that I am, 93 00:03:40.901 --> 00:03:43.000 you know, in recovery. 94 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.300 And that you know, this can happen. 95 00:03:45.300 --> 00:03:47.767 This is, you know, as a sober guy, you know, 96 00:03:47.767 --> 00:03:48.734 this is what happens. 97 00:03:48.734 --> 00:03:49.801 You see this happen. 98 00:03:49.801 --> 00:03:53.734 You know, you see dudes who've got 20 years or 25 years, 99 00:03:53.734 --> 00:03:57.067 and they get an injury, and they get prescribed pain killers 100 00:03:57.067 --> 00:03:58.234 and they slip. 101 00:03:58.234 --> 00:04:00.634 And they go out, you know, or else there's the other way 102 00:04:00.634 --> 00:04:02.734 which is someone who's got 25 years sober, said, 103 00:04:02.734 --> 00:04:06.000 I'm probably not an alcoholic anymore, and then they're gone. 104 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:07.100 But -- 105 00:04:07.100 --> 00:04:07.868 And they know. 106 00:04:07.868 --> 00:04:10.701 They know the danger's there, and it can't happen to me, 107 00:04:10.701 --> 00:04:12.267 and all of a sudden, they need it. 108 00:04:12.267 --> 00:04:13.334 Very quickly. 109 00:04:13.334 --> 00:04:15.033 So it's sort of a cautionary tale. 110 00:04:15.033 --> 00:04:17.834 It was nice that I was able to live it out fictionally. 111 00:04:17.834 --> 00:04:19.200 But is it a good time in there for you? 112 00:04:19.200 --> 00:04:22.334 Because you had this character, you, who you could build on 113 00:04:22.334 --> 00:04:23.567 in the beginning. 114 00:04:23.567 --> 00:04:25.834 And then, you're free to do, you have poetic license 115 00:04:25.834 --> 00:04:28.000 to do anything you want. 116 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:29.901 It was great, it was great. 117 00:04:29.901 --> 00:04:31.834 I mean, it was fun for the writers, they were all 118 00:04:31.834 --> 00:04:33.467 a little nervous at first because we've got a nice 119 00:04:33.467 --> 00:04:34.534 little system going. 120 00:04:34.534 --> 00:04:36.367 And then you're like, no, that's gone. 121 00:04:36.367 --> 00:04:39.033 And, you know, it was ambitious for the budget that we were 122 00:04:39.033 --> 00:04:41.801 afforded from IFC, who gave us almost complete creative 123 00:04:41.801 --> 00:04:44.701 freedom, but, you know, within the realms of money, you know, 124 00:04:44.701 --> 00:04:46.601 we have, you know, you got to think that way. 125 00:04:46.601 --> 00:04:49.133 You know, we're shooting two shows a week, and it's all out, 126 00:04:49.133 --> 00:04:50.567 you know, out in the world. 127 00:04:50.567 --> 00:04:52.100 And it was ambitious. 128 00:04:52.100 --> 00:04:53.567 There was a lot of locations and stuff. 129 00:04:53.567 --> 00:04:56.033 But, I think everyone is very proud of the season. 130 00:04:56.033 --> 00:04:59.801 We did something that is unique and different for our show 131 00:04:59.801 --> 00:05:02.100 and for any show, and the comedy works and some of it -- 132 00:05:02.100 --> 00:05:04.000 What else can you tell us about it 133 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.434 without giving it away? 134 00:05:05.434 --> 00:05:07.167 Well, that -- well, there's some interesting 135 00:05:07.167 --> 00:05:09.567 back stories around the show. 136 00:05:09.567 --> 00:05:13.501 You know, when I go into rehab, the joke in rehab was that 137 00:05:13.501 --> 00:05:14.834 I would be the oldest one there. 138 00:05:14.834 --> 00:05:17.601 And I got a good friend, who is also my sponsor, actually, 139 00:05:17.601 --> 00:05:19.501 who works at a rehab. 140 00:05:19.501 --> 00:05:20.634 And he said that's very common. 141 00:05:20.634 --> 00:05:22.100 That everyone is 20, 25 years old. 142 00:05:22.100 --> 00:05:23.000 They're all in their 20's. 143 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:24.200 So, I'm a 52-year-old man. 144 00:05:24.200 --> 00:05:26.467 I'm surrounded by kids in a rehab. 145 00:05:26.467 --> 00:05:28.567 And we just had this idea for a character. 146 00:05:28.567 --> 00:05:31.701 We wanted him to be like sort of a spoiled, you know, 147 00:05:31.701 --> 00:05:33.701 white rap kid. 148 00:05:33.701 --> 00:05:37.167 You know, like Chet Hanks, Tom Hank's son, Chet Hanks. 149 00:05:37.167 --> 00:05:38.834 There was some controversy about him because he had 150 00:05:38.834 --> 00:05:40.667 a little drug issue and he was a white rapper. 151 00:05:40.667 --> 00:05:44.901 And we thought like that, like Chet Hanks. 152 00:05:44.901 --> 00:05:47.534 And then we thought like, do you think he'd do it? 153 00:05:47.534 --> 00:05:49.033 You know, and we hired him. 154 00:05:49.033 --> 00:05:51.734 So he hadn't done a lot of acting recently. 155 00:05:51.734 --> 00:05:53.100 And this is probably his biggest acting part. 156 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:55.067 He's basically playing himself. 157 00:05:55.067 --> 00:05:57.434 And also, you know, I'm in recovery. 158 00:05:57.434 --> 00:05:59.367 He was just, you know, new to recovery. 159 00:05:59.367 --> 00:06:01.701 So there was a lot of like real stuff going on. 160 00:06:01.701 --> 00:06:03.734 And he played this character for three episodes, 161 00:06:03.734 --> 00:06:05.367 and it was really kind of exciting. 162 00:06:05.367 --> 00:06:07.133 Describe your style of interview. 163 00:06:07.133 --> 00:06:09.901 Yeah, I just need to know some things. 164 00:06:09.901 --> 00:06:12.734 I like it to go as freely as possible. 165 00:06:12.734 --> 00:06:15.734 I have a general sense of who the person is. 166 00:06:15.734 --> 00:06:18.200 And then I don't have any real -- I don't want to dismiss major 167 00:06:18.200 --> 00:06:21.501 achievements if I'm talking to somebody who cured cancer, 168 00:06:21.501 --> 00:06:22.634 it would be good if I covered that. 169 00:06:22.634 --> 00:06:23.667 Yes, it would. 170 00:06:23.667 --> 00:06:26.167 Or at least recognize it. 171 00:06:26.167 --> 00:06:27.534 So I try not to miss. 172 00:06:27.534 --> 00:06:29.133 In the introduction, by the way, 173 00:06:29.133 --> 00:06:30.501 you cured cancer. 174 00:06:30.501 --> 00:06:32.334 Yeah, if I forget to talk about that during 175 00:06:32.334 --> 00:06:36.267 the talk, but I'm not too hard on where it goes. 176 00:06:36.267 --> 00:06:38.734 I like to follow the -- wherever it happens. 177 00:06:38.734 --> 00:06:39.868 The reason I ask, and that's exactly -- 178 00:06:39.868 --> 00:06:42.834 I once helped prepare someone, who's very good, but I would 179 00:06:42.834 --> 00:06:45.434 say to him, you know, here is what I want you to do. 180 00:06:45.434 --> 00:06:46.667 You read all this stuff. 181 00:06:46.667 --> 00:06:47.934 Forget all that. 182 00:06:47.934 --> 00:06:50.634 I mean, remember all that, but here's what you do. 183 00:06:50.634 --> 00:06:55.868 Sit at your own computer, and think about who this is. 184 00:06:55.868 --> 00:06:56.267 Right. 185 00:06:56.267 --> 00:06:57.400 And what do you want to know. 186 00:06:57.400 --> 00:06:58.033 Right. 187 00:06:58.033 --> 00:06:58.701 That's where you start. 188 00:06:58.701 --> 00:06:59.300 Right. 189 00:06:59.300 --> 00:07:01.100 Start with some intuitive sense 190 00:07:01.100 --> 00:07:02.834 of who's this guy? 191 00:07:02.834 --> 00:07:03.334 Exactly. 192 00:07:03.334 --> 00:07:04.834 And what do I want to know about him? 193 00:07:04.834 --> 00:07:05.801 Right, right, in a broad sense. 194 00:07:05.801 --> 00:07:08.067 Rather than somebody putting out questions 195 00:07:08.067 --> 00:07:09.701 says, well, there was this conflict, and there was this 196 00:07:09.701 --> 00:07:10.834 thing, and there was this thing. 197 00:07:10.834 --> 00:07:13.567 All of which is simply regurgitating previous stories. 198 00:07:13.567 --> 00:07:15.334 What do I want to know about this guy? 199 00:07:15.334 --> 00:07:15.868 Exactly. 200 00:07:15.868 --> 00:07:16.467 What do I want to know? 201 00:07:16.467 --> 00:07:18.133 It's 700 episodes. 202 00:07:18.133 --> 00:07:18.734 Yeah. 203 00:07:18.734 --> 00:07:21.801 And also, you know, you don't want to -- if you do too much 204 00:07:21.801 --> 00:07:23.767 research, you already know the answer. 205 00:07:23.767 --> 00:07:27.100 And I think that's an old journalistic sort of trick, 206 00:07:27.100 --> 00:07:30.334 that like I've been told in the past before I did my podcast, 207 00:07:30.334 --> 00:07:32.534 you want to know what you're looking for in the answer. 208 00:07:32.534 --> 00:07:34.067 And I'm like, I can't stand that. 209 00:07:34.067 --> 00:07:36.100 No, but I think there are two points of view 210 00:07:36.100 --> 00:07:37.734 on that, personally, it is number one, 211 00:07:37.734 --> 00:07:39.200 you do want to know enough. 212 00:07:39.200 --> 00:07:39.767 Right. 213 00:07:39.767 --> 00:07:41.234 There's something -- Larry King, 214 00:07:41.234 --> 00:07:42.501 he and I talked about this. 215 00:07:42.501 --> 00:07:43.467 You and Larry? 216 00:07:43.467 --> 00:07:44.000 Yeah. 217 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.601 Larry used to always say I don't want to read anything. 218 00:07:45.601 --> 00:07:46.067 Yeah. 219 00:07:46.067 --> 00:07:48.667 And I want to sit down and don't know the guy. 220 00:07:48.667 --> 00:07:50.934 And I never sort of -- I need to know something. 221 00:07:50.934 --> 00:07:51.601 Well, you're a talker. 222 00:07:51.601 --> 00:07:53.367 Larry is a guy that goes "Why?" 223 00:07:53.367 --> 00:07:54.667 When? 224 00:07:54.667 --> 00:07:55.367 "Really? 225 00:07:55.367 --> 00:07:56.234 Yes. 226 00:07:56.234 --> 00:07:57.200 He actually wants to have a little bit 227 00:07:57.200 --> 00:07:58.167 of a conversation. 228 00:07:58.167 --> 00:07:59.834 It would help, wouldn't it? 229 00:07:59.834 --> 00:08:00.834 But you're more like me. 230 00:08:00.834 --> 00:08:02.167 Yes, definitely. 231 00:08:02.167 --> 00:08:02.901 You really want to know, 232 00:08:02.901 --> 00:08:04.100 what makes this person tick? 233 00:08:04.100 --> 00:08:06.300 Right, and then, when you can hear the cues, 234 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:08.334 you know, like when you're in the middle of a conversation, 235 00:08:08.334 --> 00:08:10.501 when it goes somewhere you don't know where it's going to go 236 00:08:10.501 --> 00:08:12.000 because you go, wait, what, why? 237 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:13.667 Then is goes this other way. 238 00:08:13.667 --> 00:08:15.701 That's exciting because no one knows what's going to happen. 239 00:08:15.701 --> 00:08:17.200 And seize the moment, always seize the moment. 240 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:19.000 Don't let the moment go by. 241 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.834 Yeah, yeah, or get back to it. 242 00:08:20.834 --> 00:08:23.300 I've done -- that's the only notes I really make during an 243 00:08:23.300 --> 00:08:25.634 interview is that if somebody drops something in the middle 244 00:08:25.634 --> 00:08:28.200 of the story that's compelling in and of itself, I'll just 245 00:08:28.200 --> 00:08:31.334 write like get back to that thing about his dad. 246 00:08:31.334 --> 00:08:34.067 And I actually keep a list of things that 247 00:08:34.067 --> 00:08:36.167 sort of mainly because you don't want to miss -- 248 00:08:36.167 --> 00:08:37.501 the bit about the doctor -- 249 00:08:37.501 --> 00:08:38.000 Sure. 250 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:38.834 -- that cured cancer. 251 00:08:38.834 --> 00:08:39.267 Right. 252 00:08:39.267 --> 00:08:40.167 You don't want to forget. 253 00:08:40.167 --> 00:08:41.901 You want to make sure you remember that. 254 00:08:41.901 --> 00:08:43.501 Yeah, you don't want the guy driving away, 255 00:08:43.501 --> 00:08:46.934 and you're like, oh, I didn't talk about the Oscar. 256 00:08:46.934 --> 00:08:49.868 Or you want to know, I mean, somebody cured 257 00:08:49.868 --> 00:08:51.467 cancer, you want to know how did you, 258 00:08:51.467 --> 00:08:53.167 of all the people, do it. 259 00:08:53.167 --> 00:08:54.100 Yeah, cure cancer. 260 00:08:54.100 --> 00:08:55.934 That should be an important conversation. 261 00:08:55.934 --> 00:08:56.767 Yeah. 262 00:08:56.767 --> 00:08:57.767 I mean, how do you do it? 263 00:08:57.767 --> 00:08:58.801 I think you'll probably have that one 264 00:08:58.801 --> 00:08:59.601 before me. 265 00:08:59.601 --> 00:09:01.200 (LAUGHTER) 266 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:05.067 That's the level of the sphere you're operating in. 267 00:09:05.067 --> 00:09:06.300 How close are you -- I asked you this when 268 00:09:06.300 --> 00:09:07.901 I sat down -- to Louis C.K.? 269 00:09:07.901 --> 00:09:08.701 We're pretty close. 270 00:09:08.701 --> 00:09:10.834 You know, we've gotten -- we've been close -- 271 00:09:10.834 --> 00:09:11.934 Is that a comedic history? 272 00:09:11.934 --> 00:09:13.067 Oh, yeah, we were friends, you know. 273 00:09:13.067 --> 00:09:15.934 One of the big podcasts I did years ago, that was big for 274 00:09:15.934 --> 00:09:18.834 everybody, myself included, was us sort of repairing a very 275 00:09:18.834 --> 00:09:21.334 long and, you know, deep friendship, we're good friends. 276 00:09:21.334 --> 00:09:24.434 I just -- he was just on the 700th episode, he came by. 277 00:09:24.434 --> 00:09:27.267 A couple weeks ago, he stopped by to talk about the creation 278 00:09:27.267 --> 00:09:28.501 of "Horace and Pete." 279 00:09:28.501 --> 00:09:29.167 And we're in touch. 280 00:09:29.167 --> 00:09:30.434 I saw him the other night. 281 00:09:30.434 --> 00:09:34.133 We talk, you know, we're busy people but I love Louis. 282 00:09:34.133 --> 00:09:35.767 I just did an hour with him, 283 00:09:35.767 --> 00:09:37.934 and he was just wonderful. 284 00:09:37.934 --> 00:09:38.801 Oh yeah, he's great. 285 00:09:38.801 --> 00:09:40.467 He has a sense of story. 286 00:09:40.467 --> 00:09:41.567 Yeah. 287 00:09:41.567 --> 00:09:43.400 So deeply ingrained in how he does it. 288 00:09:43.400 --> 00:09:45.100 Well, Louis he is one of these people, he's always 289 00:09:45.100 --> 00:09:47.100 been, he picks good role models. 290 00:09:47.100 --> 00:09:48.868 So, like Louis, like when we were younger he would always be 291 00:09:48.868 --> 00:09:51.067 reading the biography of Teddy Roosevelt 292 00:09:51.067 --> 00:09:52.534 or something like that. 293 00:09:52.534 --> 00:09:55.033 And yet, he'd have some practical problem about, 294 00:09:55.033 --> 00:09:58.234 you know, his car breaking down and he'd somehow analogize it 295 00:09:58.234 --> 00:10:00.100 to an issue of Teddy Roosevelt. 296 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:00.734 With Teddy Roosevelt. 297 00:10:00.734 --> 00:10:01.601 Yes, he's very good like that. 298 00:10:01.601 --> 00:10:02.634 What would Teddy have done 299 00:10:02.634 --> 00:10:03.634 if he was in this same situation? 300 00:10:03.634 --> 00:10:04.934 Exactly, yes. 301 00:10:04.934 --> 00:10:06.601 He elevates things. 302 00:10:06.601 --> 00:10:09.267 But, you know, he is a very engaged and brilliant guy. 303 00:10:09.267 --> 00:10:11.367 Have you -- do you ever think about ending it? 304 00:10:11.367 --> 00:10:13.434 You mean killing myself? 305 00:10:13.434 --> 00:10:14.100 Is that what it would mean? 306 00:10:14.100 --> 00:10:15.868 I don't know, that's interesting. 307 00:10:15.868 --> 00:10:17.100 No, no, no. 308 00:10:17.100 --> 00:10:18.567 (LAUGHTER) 309 00:10:18.567 --> 00:10:21.033 No, if I was interested in that, 310 00:10:21.033 --> 00:10:22.734 I would say, have you ever thought about killing yourself? 311 00:10:22.734 --> 00:10:24.000 Yeah, are you depressed? 312 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.033 Precise is a better way to go. 313 00:10:26.033 --> 00:10:27.434 No, no, about the podcast? 314 00:10:27.434 --> 00:10:28.400 Well, I don't know. 315 00:10:28.400 --> 00:10:29.200 Is it your life? 316 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:33.133 Is it the thing that brings you sort of a mission? 317 00:10:33.133 --> 00:10:35.100 Well, I don't know, yeah, I don't know 318 00:10:35.100 --> 00:10:38.300 how you feel about it, but I get a little twitchy 319 00:10:38.300 --> 00:10:39.400 if I don't talk to people. 320 00:10:39.400 --> 00:10:40.234 Yes, me too. 321 00:10:40.234 --> 00:10:43.434 It's become, maybe it's the same for you, I think 322 00:10:43.434 --> 00:10:47.100 it's the deepest relationships I have for an hour. 323 00:10:47.100 --> 00:10:49.067 I don't know if we want to go there. 324 00:10:49.067 --> 00:10:50.367 Well, no, it's sort of sad. 325 00:10:50.367 --> 00:10:51.000 Yes. 326 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:52.100 Like, you know, I have a girlfriend 327 00:10:52.100 --> 00:10:53.567 and we get along and everything. 328 00:10:53.567 --> 00:10:55.934 But I can get real deep with a person I know is gonna 329 00:10:55.934 --> 00:10:57.200 leave in an hour, right? 330 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:58.000 I know. 331 00:10:58.000 --> 00:10:59.567 You know, the great thing is, you can get more out of that 332 00:10:59.567 --> 00:11:03.801 person than his best friend or his wife or in her case, 333 00:11:03.801 --> 00:11:05.601 she's here, her husband. 334 00:11:05.601 --> 00:11:06.067 Yes. 335 00:11:06.067 --> 00:11:07.801 Because you have a license. 336 00:11:07.801 --> 00:11:08.367 Right. 337 00:11:08.367 --> 00:11:10.767 Often people will say to me, I heard things 338 00:11:10.767 --> 00:11:13.834 about my friends that I never heard before and I've known them 339 00:11:13.834 --> 00:11:14.734 for 20 years. 340 00:11:14.734 --> 00:11:15.334 Yes. 341 00:11:15.334 --> 00:11:16.234 It's because we have license. 342 00:11:16.234 --> 00:11:16.868 Right. 343 00:11:16.868 --> 00:11:17.667 And it's expected. 344 00:11:17.667 --> 00:11:19.234 Yes, I get that too. 345 00:11:19.234 --> 00:11:21.133 And it's always kind of an amazing feeling. 346 00:11:21.133 --> 00:11:21.767 Yes. 347 00:11:21.767 --> 00:11:24.000 But I don't know about you, but, you know, 348 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.534 sometimes I have conversations and there's moments where I'm 349 00:11:26.534 --> 00:11:29.100 like maybe I should give that guy a call and hang out. 350 00:11:29.100 --> 00:11:31.067 And then you're like, I don't know if that's really 351 00:11:31.067 --> 00:11:31.934 part of the job. 352 00:11:31.934 --> 00:11:34.000 You know, hey, it's Marc, remember we did the show? 353 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:36.067 Maybe we can just talk off the mics. 354 00:11:36.067 --> 00:11:36.734 Yes. 355 00:11:36.734 --> 00:11:39.033 I think people always ask, do the people you have on the air 356 00:11:39.033 --> 00:11:40.000 become your friends? 357 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:40.567 Yes. 358 00:11:40.567 --> 00:11:42.000 Some cases they do, some cases they don't. 359 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:44.000 It's also has a lot to do with proximity, I think. 360 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:44.467 Sure. 361 00:11:44.467 --> 00:11:45.267 Yes. 362 00:11:45.267 --> 00:11:47.634 I always wonder that but I kind of leave it be. 363 00:11:47.634 --> 00:11:49.868 I would rather just keep a few friends. 364 00:11:49.868 --> 00:11:50.534 Yes. 365 00:11:50.534 --> 00:11:52.434 You don't want to be the pestering guy. 366 00:11:52.434 --> 00:11:53.667 I never know what my role is. 367 00:11:53.667 --> 00:11:55.067 - a super celebrity. 368 00:11:55.067 --> 00:11:55.634 Right. 369 00:11:55.634 --> 00:11:57.434 When you have a big star over, you're like, we really get 370 00:11:57.434 --> 00:11:58.767 along, maybe we will have lunch or something. 371 00:11:58.767 --> 00:12:00.501 And I go to text and I'm like, what am I thinking, 372 00:12:00.501 --> 00:12:02.033 you know what I mean? 373 00:12:02.033 --> 00:12:03.300 Or you say he doesn't want to 374 00:12:03.300 --> 00:12:04.300 have lunch with me. 375 00:12:04.300 --> 00:12:05.100 Yes, exactly. 376 00:12:05.100 --> 00:12:06.100 Or I don't want to have lunch with him. 377 00:12:06.100 --> 00:12:08.834 Exactly, and what are we gonna do at lunch? 378 00:12:08.834 --> 00:12:10.234 We've done it. 379 00:12:10.234 --> 00:12:12.868 I once interviewed Charles Manson to speak of -- 380 00:12:12.868 --> 00:12:13.901 You wanted to have lunch with him? 381 00:12:13.901 --> 00:12:15.100 No. 382 00:12:15.100 --> 00:12:16.934 But I said to him afterwards, because he said to me, "I have 383 00:12:16.934 --> 00:12:20.467 been watching you," when I came into the San Quentin. 384 00:12:20.467 --> 00:12:22.267 He said "I have been watching you, Rose." 385 00:12:22.267 --> 00:12:23.167 And I said "What do you mean?" 386 00:12:23.167 --> 00:12:26.000 And he said "well, you're on TV, I see you." 387 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.501 So, then at the end of the broadcast, at the end of 388 00:12:27.501 --> 00:12:30.501 the taping I said to him are you going to watch this? 389 00:12:30.501 --> 00:12:32.701 He said no, I just did it. 390 00:12:32.701 --> 00:12:33.434 That's interesting. 391 00:12:33.434 --> 00:12:34.701 Because I feel that way. 392 00:12:34.701 --> 00:12:36.734 So, what is the role of podcasts in the future 393 00:12:36.734 --> 00:12:39.367 of social media? 394 00:12:39.367 --> 00:12:40.601 I mean, are we going to see a lot more? 395 00:12:40.601 --> 00:12:42.567 For example, David Axelrod. 396 00:12:42.567 --> 00:12:43.267 Yes. 397 00:12:43.267 --> 00:12:44.467 Has a popular podcast. 398 00:12:44.467 --> 00:12:46.701 Not popular in your league but popular. 399 00:12:46.701 --> 00:12:48.901 Well, I think that it gives everybody, it is sort 400 00:12:48.901 --> 00:12:50.467 of a wild frontier right now. 401 00:12:50.467 --> 00:12:52.801 And everybody can really do one when everyone has access to 402 00:12:52.801 --> 00:12:53.667 the technology. 403 00:12:53.667 --> 00:12:55.934 It's very easy and you can post it fairly easily. 404 00:12:55.934 --> 00:12:59.234 But like anything else, I think that there is niche markets, 405 00:12:59.234 --> 00:13:01.901 you know, and there is people will find the good ones 406 00:13:01.901 --> 00:13:03.901 or find the things that apply to their lives. 407 00:13:03.901 --> 00:13:06.033 But there is also like, you know, there is also podcasts 408 00:13:06.033 --> 00:13:08.567 that are very niche which is like four listeners. 409 00:13:08.567 --> 00:13:11.634 And I don't know how long they will remain. 410 00:13:11.634 --> 00:13:15.234 But the good ones will find their way. 411 00:13:15.234 --> 00:13:15.868 Yes. 412 00:13:15.868 --> 00:13:17.400 Is that what happened, you just found your way. 413 00:13:17.400 --> 00:13:18.634 Well, yes. 414 00:13:18.634 --> 00:13:19.834 Word of mouth, somebody said you have to hear 415 00:13:19.834 --> 00:13:20.834 this, have you heard this? 416 00:13:20.834 --> 00:13:22.367 Well, that is sort of what happened. 417 00:13:22.367 --> 00:13:23.367 I mean, we got in -- 418 00:13:23.367 --> 00:13:24.133 Water cooler talk. 419 00:13:24.133 --> 00:13:25.234 Yes, at a good time. 420 00:13:25.234 --> 00:13:27.501 There was a little bit of water cooler talk but it was mostly 421 00:13:27.501 --> 00:13:29.467 driven by guests I had. 422 00:13:29.467 --> 00:13:33.267 I did a fairly significant interview with Robin Williams, 423 00:13:33.267 --> 00:13:34.767 you know, at his home. 424 00:13:34.767 --> 00:13:37.334 And during the beginning, we were also timed right, 425 00:13:37.334 --> 00:13:39.567 it was before the podcast explosion. 426 00:13:39.567 --> 00:13:42.033 So, there were several pivotal interviews throughout the years 427 00:13:42.033 --> 00:13:43.801 that kind of brought people in. 428 00:13:43.801 --> 00:13:44.701 OK, Robin is one. 429 00:13:44.701 --> 00:13:45.934 What are the others? 430 00:13:45.934 --> 00:13:48.534 Well, like early on, like it was interesting, 431 00:13:48.534 --> 00:13:51.100 there was an interview with Ira Glass that sort of brought -- 432 00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:51.667 Sure. 433 00:13:51.667 --> 00:13:53.434 -- a lot of people from his world in, 434 00:13:53.434 --> 00:13:57.834 Ben Stiller, Conan O'Brien early on was a pretty big interview, 435 00:13:57.834 --> 00:13:59.767 that first Louis interview was pretty big. 436 00:13:59.767 --> 00:14:02.067 There were two Carlos Mencia interviews where I sort of 437 00:14:02.067 --> 00:14:04.901 talked to him about stealing jokes that were pretty big. 438 00:14:04.901 --> 00:14:06.767 And then it just started to build like that. 439 00:14:06.767 --> 00:14:10.868 But at that time people were just now recognizing the medium. 440 00:14:10.868 --> 00:14:13.467 The biggest problem with podcasting, most people 441 00:14:13.467 --> 00:14:16.367 still don't listen to them or know what they are 442 00:14:16.367 --> 00:14:17.701 or how to get them. 443 00:14:17.701 --> 00:14:18.901 That's true, they don't. 444 00:14:18.901 --> 00:14:19.801 It's crazy. 445 00:14:19.801 --> 00:14:21.767 But with respect to the president. 446 00:14:21.767 --> 00:14:22.300 Yes. 447 00:14:22.300 --> 00:14:24.667 Did somebody on his staff know and was a fan 448 00:14:24.667 --> 00:14:26.000 and said to him, you ought to do this, 449 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:27.200 take a listen, this is great. 450 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:28.667 That's right, that's what happened. 451 00:14:28.667 --> 00:14:30.300 A staffer enjoyed it. 452 00:14:30.300 --> 00:14:32.901 You know, called us up, started pursuing it. 453 00:14:32.901 --> 00:14:35.634 We thought that was -- yes, of course we'll do it. 454 00:14:35.634 --> 00:14:37.234 But it seems like a long shot to us. 455 00:14:37.234 --> 00:14:37.767 Yes. 456 00:14:37.767 --> 00:14:40.501 And, you know, he said he listened to a couple. 457 00:14:40.501 --> 00:14:43.267 But it was a staff person. 458 00:14:43.267 --> 00:14:46.100 And a lot of people in the world that you and I run in whether 459 00:14:46.100 --> 00:14:50.567 it's entertainment or news, it's very interesting with a podcast 460 00:14:50.567 --> 00:14:53.501 how far the reach is and who listens to it. 461 00:14:53.501 --> 00:14:55.667 Because I get a lot of people that come up from all different 462 00:14:55.667 --> 00:14:58.000 areas of life, who are just like, I love your podcast. 463 00:14:58.000 --> 00:14:59.234 I'm like, really, you listen to it? 464 00:14:59.234 --> 00:15:01.767 And then they'll refer to a guest, except 465 00:15:01.767 --> 00:15:04.133 occasions might come along and they say, man, I love your show, 466 00:15:04.133 --> 00:15:05.133 watch it all the time. 467 00:15:05.133 --> 00:15:07.367 What was the last thing you saw? 468 00:15:07.367 --> 00:15:10.434 Well, gee, the thing you did, you know, I said, 469 00:15:10.434 --> 00:15:11.234 that was five years ago. 470 00:15:11.234 --> 00:15:13.200 Five years ago. 471 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.667 Yes, like what exactly -- I don't get PBS. 472 00:15:15.667 --> 00:15:16.901 I don't -- 473 00:15:16.901 --> 00:15:18.133 We get it every five years. 474 00:15:18.133 --> 00:15:19.501 What channel are you on? 475 00:15:19.501 --> 00:15:20.634 One show every five years. 476 00:15:20.634 --> 00:15:21.267 yes. 477 00:15:21.267 --> 00:15:23.267 Well, how long ago did you interview Manson? 478 00:15:23.267 --> 00:15:24.667 That was a long time when I first started out. 479 00:15:24.667 --> 00:15:25.534 Really? 480 00:15:25.534 --> 00:15:27.367 It was like 1984, '85. 481 00:15:27.367 --> 00:15:28.267 I wonder how he is doing. 482 00:15:28.267 --> 00:15:29.400 You should go back for a second one. 483 00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:30.467 Well, you know, all these things are happening 484 00:15:30.467 --> 00:15:31.300 to people around him. 485 00:15:31.300 --> 00:15:34.234 It's a story that every year there is some development. 486 00:15:34.234 --> 00:15:36.167 Well, someone was just up for parole. 487 00:15:36.167 --> 00:15:37.167 Yes, that's right. 488 00:15:37.167 --> 00:15:38.300 Leslie Van Houten I think. 489 00:15:38.300 --> 00:15:39.601 I don't think they released her, 490 00:15:39.601 --> 00:15:40.267 did they or not? 491 00:15:40.267 --> 00:15:41.000 I don't think so. 492 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:41.667 Yes. 493 00:15:41.667 --> 00:15:42.467 Yes. 494 00:15:42.467 --> 00:15:47.434 But that would be an interesting interview, it would be intense. 495 00:15:47.434 --> 00:15:48.868 Why don't you go to San Quentin and talk to him? 496 00:15:48.868 --> 00:15:49.868 I would. 497 00:15:49.868 --> 00:15:51.167 I mean, who do I talk to? 498 00:15:51.167 --> 00:15:52.801 Can you put me in touch with Manson? 499 00:15:52.801 --> 00:15:54.534 (LAUGHTER) 500 00:15:54.534 --> 00:15:55.767 Would you do it, would you like to do it, 501 00:15:55.767 --> 00:15:56.467 does that interest you? 502 00:15:56.467 --> 00:15:57.133 I would. 503 00:15:57.133 --> 00:15:58.868 Yes, he's a nice guy. 504 00:15:58.868 --> 00:16:00.200 He's an old witch. 505 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.000 More than that. 506 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:02.801 Yes. 507 00:16:02.801 --> 00:16:04.434 But, I mean, I would be trying to do that 508 00:16:04.434 --> 00:16:05.067 if I were you. 509 00:16:05.067 --> 00:16:06.701 In other words, maybe you and I are different. 510 00:16:06.701 --> 00:16:09.100 If there is somebody I really want to talk to, I want to reach 511 00:16:09.100 --> 00:16:12.534 out to them and find them and say how about let's do this. 512 00:16:12.534 --> 00:16:13.234 Well, I do that -- 513 00:16:13.234 --> 00:16:14.033 Well, I might. 514 00:16:14.033 --> 00:16:15.100 Are you so casual about it? 515 00:16:15.100 --> 00:16:17.234 Well, Manson is sort of a difficult get, 516 00:16:17.234 --> 00:16:18.167 Charlie. 517 00:16:18.167 --> 00:16:21.200 You know, I am more focused on Albert Brooks. 518 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:22.234 Albert Brooks is... 519 00:16:22.234 --> 00:16:23.467 Well, I do, too. 520 00:16:23.467 --> 00:16:25.534 He might be more difficult to get than Charlie 521 00:16:25.534 --> 00:16:28.467 Manson, Albert and he knows I want to talk to him. 522 00:16:28.467 --> 00:16:30.934 Are you serious now, you want to talk to him 523 00:16:30.934 --> 00:16:32.367 and you haven't been able to so far? 524 00:16:32.367 --> 00:16:33.801 I just don't think he wants to do 525 00:16:33.801 --> 00:16:36.000 the hour interview, like I saw him recently at an event. 526 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.267 So, what are they -- when they say that, 527 00:16:37.267 --> 00:16:38.834 I get a little bit of that too. 528 00:16:38.834 --> 00:16:39.400 Sure. 529 00:16:39.400 --> 00:16:41.033 Oh, 15 minutes, that's fine. 530 00:16:41.033 --> 00:16:41.534 Right. 531 00:16:41.534 --> 00:16:42.567 They go, an hour? 532 00:16:42.567 --> 00:16:43.767 I can't carry an hour. 533 00:16:43.767 --> 00:16:45.734 There's not that much interesting stuff in an hour. 534 00:16:45.734 --> 00:16:49.200 And you say to them, let me, trust me. 535 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:50.267 Yes, yes, let's do that. 536 00:16:50.267 --> 00:16:50.934 Let me make that decision. 537 00:16:50.934 --> 00:16:53.000 But then the next step -- the next phase in their 538 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.767 head is that maybe there are some things I don't want 539 00:16:54.767 --> 00:16:56.400 to talk about, Charlie. 540 00:16:56.400 --> 00:16:57.000 That's true. 541 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.234 Yes, that's right. 542 00:16:58.234 --> 00:17:00.167 And then you just say to them, you are in control. 543 00:17:00.167 --> 00:17:01.701 Just say I don't want to talk about it. 544 00:17:01.701 --> 00:17:02.501 Right, you're not -- 545 00:17:02.501 --> 00:17:03.868 Perfectly good answer. 546 00:17:03.868 --> 00:17:04.467 Yes. 547 00:17:04.467 --> 00:17:07.234 I do not want to talk about this. 548 00:17:07.234 --> 00:17:07.767 Yes. 549 00:17:07.767 --> 00:17:09.167 I don't think you or I are going to sit there and say, 550 00:17:09.167 --> 00:17:10.334 come on, come on. 551 00:17:10.334 --> 00:17:11.901 Not for 15 minutes. 552 00:17:11.901 --> 00:17:13.634 You're not trying to trap anybody. 553 00:17:13.634 --> 00:17:15.067 Or trying to sort of look like you are 554 00:17:15.067 --> 00:17:16.367 the world's toughest interviewer. 555 00:17:16.367 --> 00:17:16.934 Right. 556 00:17:16.934 --> 00:17:18.567 Because when that happens do you know, do you ever get people 557 00:17:18.567 --> 00:17:20.033 that say like, I don't want that in there. 558 00:17:20.033 --> 00:17:20.767 No. 559 00:17:20.767 --> 00:17:22.300 Well no, no, no, no. 560 00:17:22.300 --> 00:17:24.901 They don't say to me I don't want to talk about this. 561 00:17:24.901 --> 00:17:25.901 They may say -- 562 00:17:25.901 --> 00:17:27.400 But after that -- after. 563 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.367 -- they may say it's boring. 564 00:17:29.367 --> 00:17:30.868 You know, I mean, you can talk about whatever you want to 565 00:17:30.868 --> 00:17:32.300 but I think this is really boring. 566 00:17:32.300 --> 00:17:33.901 But do you -- do you -- has anyone after 567 00:17:33.901 --> 00:17:35.601 you got it in the can -- 568 00:17:35.601 --> 00:17:36.067 Yes. 569 00:17:36.067 --> 00:17:38.367 -- called up and said, could you not 570 00:17:38.367 --> 00:17:40.267 run that part? 571 00:17:40.267 --> 00:17:41.167 Sure. 572 00:17:41.167 --> 00:17:44.300 And I would make a decision based on if I thought it was 573 00:17:44.300 --> 00:17:45.300 an interesting part. 574 00:17:45.300 --> 00:17:47.434 If I thought it was relevant and interesting, I would say no, 575 00:17:47.434 --> 00:17:48.567 it's in. 576 00:17:48.567 --> 00:17:49.367 Do you have to negotiate with them 577 00:17:49.367 --> 00:17:50.400 a little bit, talk them into it? 578 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:51.901 No. 579 00:17:51.901 --> 00:17:52.567 It's your decision. 580 00:17:52.567 --> 00:17:53.367 It's your decision. 581 00:17:53.367 --> 00:17:54.467 Because they already did it. 582 00:17:54.467 --> 00:17:55.501 My name is on the door. 583 00:17:55.501 --> 00:17:56.767 Yes. 584 00:17:56.767 --> 00:17:59.267 And so is yours. 585 00:17:59.267 --> 00:18:00.434 Oddly when people ask for that, 586 00:18:00.434 --> 00:18:01.434 it's never anything -- 587 00:18:01.434 --> 00:18:03.267 It's always about what they said about somebody else. 588 00:18:03.267 --> 00:18:03.934 It's never -- 589 00:18:03.934 --> 00:18:04.667 That's right. 590 00:18:04.667 --> 00:18:07.000 And you look at it, I mean, they said, you know, my wife's 591 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:08.767 mother is going to really, really be bothered by this. 592 00:18:08.767 --> 00:18:09.834 Right. 593 00:18:09.834 --> 00:18:11.434 And you say, you know -- 594 00:18:11.434 --> 00:18:12.634 Tough luck. 595 00:18:12.634 --> 00:18:13.901 Well, no, it depends on that. 596 00:18:13.901 --> 00:18:16.033 I mean, you know, it's not -- but if they said look, you know, 597 00:18:16.033 --> 00:18:19.701 when I was a kid I did all these terrible things. 598 00:18:19.701 --> 00:18:20.400 Yes. 599 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:21.467 You know, and I got away with them, 600 00:18:21.467 --> 00:18:23.467 you're not going to say no. 601 00:18:23.467 --> 00:18:23.901 Right. 602 00:18:23.901 --> 00:18:24.834 It's really whether they are hurting some 603 00:18:24.834 --> 00:18:26.000 innocent person I think. 604 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:26.434 Right. 605 00:18:26.434 --> 00:18:27.000 I think that's right. 606 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.734 Yes, we always comply. 607 00:18:28.734 --> 00:18:29.801 There was one -- 608 00:18:29.801 --> 00:18:31.434 But if it was journalistic and relevant, 609 00:18:31.434 --> 00:18:33.167 you still would say no, it's in. 610 00:18:33.167 --> 00:18:34.167 Right. 611 00:18:34.167 --> 00:18:36.033 Yes, watch your mouth next time. 612 00:18:36.033 --> 00:18:37.100 Yes. 613 00:18:37.100 --> 00:18:39.000 Don't be so stupid next time. 614 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:39.534 Yes. 615 00:18:39.534 --> 00:18:40.000 All right. 616 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.234 Take a look at this, this is when you are trying to convince 617 00:18:41.234 --> 00:18:43.133 your agent to get you work. 618 00:18:43.133 --> 00:18:45.501 Here it is from "Maron." 619 00:18:45.501 --> 00:18:47.200 There she is. 620 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:49.801 I got some good news for you. 621 00:18:49.801 --> 00:18:52.000 I know what you are thinking but you're wrong. 622 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:53.701 Oh, you got in past Stacey again. 623 00:18:53.701 --> 00:18:54.467 Stacey! 624 00:18:54.467 --> 00:18:56.000 I'm ready, OK. 625 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:57.067 I feel excited. 626 00:18:57.067 --> 00:18:58.634 I feel funny. 627 00:18:58.634 --> 00:19:00.100 I feel talented. 628 00:19:00.100 --> 00:19:03.334 Don't I seem better? 629 00:19:03.334 --> 00:19:05.801 OK, I am not going to be picky anymore. 630 00:19:05.801 --> 00:19:06.801 I'll take anything. 631 00:19:06.801 --> 00:19:07.434 Yes. 632 00:19:07.434 --> 00:19:09.434 You'll get me on one of those dumb shows where I talk about 633 00:19:09.434 --> 00:19:12.234 other dumb shows or maybe, you know, get me on one of those 634 00:19:12.234 --> 00:19:14.767 ones where I just say snarky -- 635 00:19:14.767 --> 00:19:15.734 Oh, no, no, no. 636 00:19:15.734 --> 00:19:16.868 We're not going to do this again, 637 00:19:16.868 --> 00:19:18.267 we're not going do it again, OK? 638 00:19:18.267 --> 00:19:18.734 What? 639 00:19:18.734 --> 00:19:20.467 This thing that you do every few weeks. 640 00:19:20.467 --> 00:19:23.801 When you come in here -- Stacey -- and your eyes are glassy. 641 00:19:23.801 --> 00:19:26.167 My eyes aren't glassy. 642 00:19:26.167 --> 00:19:28.200 I don't represent you anymore. 643 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:29.167 I fired you. 644 00:19:29.167 --> 00:19:30.434 You can't fire me. 645 00:19:30.434 --> 00:19:31.634 I'm the client. 646 00:19:31.634 --> 00:19:32.868 I fire you. 647 00:19:32.868 --> 00:19:34.000 You don't fire me. 648 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:34.834 (LAUGHTER) 649 00:19:34.834 --> 00:19:35.734 Really? 650 00:19:35.734 --> 00:19:37.334 Yes. 651 00:19:37.334 --> 00:19:40.000 How much -- is that 100 percent scripted? 652 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.567 That was a little loose but yes, we do work from 653 00:19:42.567 --> 00:19:44.067 -- it's mostly scripted. 654 00:19:44.067 --> 00:19:45.367 It's all scripted. 655 00:19:45.367 --> 00:19:46.601 By you or other writers? 656 00:19:46.601 --> 00:19:50.267 Well, we have a writing staff, and the process 657 00:19:50.267 --> 00:19:53.601 is, you know, we break story together like breaking bread, 658 00:19:53.601 --> 00:19:54.100 you know. 659 00:19:54.100 --> 00:19:57.300 I had the ideas for the arc of the season, then we come up with 660 00:19:57.300 --> 00:20:00.300 the 13 stories and then we get in a room and we flesh those 661 00:20:00.300 --> 00:20:03.067 stories out into a three act structure. 662 00:20:03.067 --> 00:20:05.901 And then writers are assigned to outline and script them. 663 00:20:05.901 --> 00:20:08.367 And then, you know, at each phase we bring it back in. 664 00:20:08.367 --> 00:20:11.601 It's collaborative but it's written by the writers. 665 00:20:11.601 --> 00:20:14.734 And Michael and Jim, Dave Anthony, Jerry Stahl, 666 00:20:14.734 --> 00:20:16.267 Bob Nickman, and myself. 667 00:20:16.267 --> 00:20:18.000 Thank God you remembered all the names. 668 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:18.567 Yes. 669 00:20:18.567 --> 00:20:19.434 I'm very good at that. 670 00:20:19.434 --> 00:20:20.934 They all did a great job. 671 00:20:20.934 --> 00:20:22.167 It's a very exciting process. 672 00:20:22.167 --> 00:20:23.267 The writing process. 673 00:20:23.267 --> 00:20:23.701 Yes. 674 00:20:23.701 --> 00:20:24.734 Sitting around a table like -- 675 00:20:24.734 --> 00:20:25.434 Sure. 676 00:20:25.434 --> 00:20:26.033 -- comedy writers do? 677 00:20:26.033 --> 00:20:26.667 Yes, yes. 678 00:20:26.667 --> 00:20:27.534 There is a lot of sitting. 679 00:20:27.534 --> 00:20:28.100 Yes. 680 00:20:28.100 --> 00:20:30.934 What happens is sometimes about 20 minutes of, 681 00:20:30.934 --> 00:20:35.868 you know, five guys, six guys just sitting and I go, come on! 682 00:20:35.868 --> 00:20:36.901 There's got to be something. 683 00:20:36.901 --> 00:20:37.734 OK? 684 00:20:37.734 --> 00:20:39.400 And then, you know, we just get movement. 685 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:43.400 And it's a weird and kind of one brain kind of thing 686 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:44.601 that happens. 687 00:20:44.601 --> 00:20:46.000 And how much, I mean, what's been the most 688 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:50.234 painful place for you to go that became part of the show? 689 00:20:50.234 --> 00:20:51.000 Last season. 690 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:51.601 Was it really? 691 00:20:51.601 --> 00:20:52.133 Yes. 692 00:20:52.133 --> 00:20:57.067 Last season when I, you know, I fictionalized having -- doing a 693 00:20:57.067 --> 00:21:01.834 podcast with my ex-wife who I haven't talked to in years. 694 00:21:01.834 --> 00:21:04.234 And you know, just sort of bringing up, because there were 695 00:21:04.234 --> 00:21:06.567 flashbacks in the episode where I actually shaved off my 696 00:21:06.567 --> 00:21:09.868 mustache and stuff to play, the sort of the scenes that sort of 697 00:21:09.868 --> 00:21:12.501 ended the relationship of that marriage. 698 00:21:12.501 --> 00:21:15.767 And, you know, it got pretty hairy. 699 00:21:15.767 --> 00:21:17.934 But I felt like I did something good. 700 00:21:17.934 --> 00:21:19.067 I felt like I got closure. 701 00:21:19.067 --> 00:21:21.200 I'm sure she sees it differently. 702 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:23.000 I'm sure she sees it like -- 703 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:23.667 I am too. 704 00:21:23.667 --> 00:21:24.300 Yes. 705 00:21:24.300 --> 00:21:25.133 I feel like I got closure. 706 00:21:25.133 --> 00:21:27.400 I'm sure she sees it like why does he have to keep 707 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.501 bringing this up? 708 00:21:29.501 --> 00:21:30.501 It was over. 709 00:21:30.501 --> 00:21:31.667 It was a long time ago. 710 00:21:31.667 --> 00:21:32.367 Exactly. 711 00:21:32.367 --> 00:21:33.868 We have gone on in our lives. 712 00:21:33.868 --> 00:21:34.567 Yes, yes. 713 00:21:34.567 --> 00:21:35.634 Don't you understand this? 714 00:21:35.634 --> 00:21:36.434 Yes, right. 715 00:21:36.434 --> 00:21:37.901 That's what she would be saying. 716 00:21:37.901 --> 00:21:40.934 She wants nothing more than to, when you Google her name, 717 00:21:40.934 --> 00:21:44.868 I'm very far, maybe perhaps three or four pages away. 718 00:21:44.868 --> 00:21:46.434 Earlier in her life she was married. 719 00:21:46.434 --> 00:21:47.434 Yes. 720 00:21:47.434 --> 00:21:50.133 She would like to move that down the Google search. 721 00:21:50.133 --> 00:21:51.767 Probably would prefer that we not 722 00:21:51.767 --> 00:21:52.601 talk about it, too. 723 00:21:52.601 --> 00:21:55.400 Yes, but that -- she's doing wonderful things. 724 00:21:55.400 --> 00:22:00.868 She's a writer and you know, she's a mother and I am -- 725 00:22:00.868 --> 00:22:03.501 I'm sure she's doing great, Charlie. 726 00:22:03.501 --> 00:22:07.167 What's the best thing that could happen to you? 727 00:22:07.167 --> 00:22:08.167 That is an interesting question. 728 00:22:08.167 --> 00:22:12.534 The best thing that could happen to me. 729 00:22:12.534 --> 00:22:21.267 That I actually feel content and happy enough to not do anything. 730 00:22:21.267 --> 00:22:22.534 It's interesting you say that. 731 00:22:22.534 --> 00:22:26.234 Because somebody you know died and there was a good friend 732 00:22:26.234 --> 00:22:32.367 of his and my friend talked to him when he was dying. 733 00:22:32.367 --> 00:22:35.367 You know, and he said, what do you regret? 734 00:22:35.367 --> 00:22:40.133 He said I regret not just being quiet. 735 00:22:40.133 --> 00:22:41.467 The word he used was quiet. 736 00:22:41.467 --> 00:22:42.734 Yes. 737 00:22:42.734 --> 00:22:43.234 You know. 738 00:22:43.234 --> 00:22:44.033 Yes. 739 00:22:44.033 --> 00:22:45.000 Learning how to do that. 740 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:45.567 Yes. 741 00:22:45.567 --> 00:22:46.133 Inside. 742 00:22:46.133 --> 00:22:48.000 Being quiet, silence and all of that. 743 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:48.601 Yes. 744 00:22:48.601 --> 00:22:50.868 Absence of frenzy and doing 745 00:22:50.868 --> 00:22:51.934 that kind of stuff. 746 00:22:51.934 --> 00:22:53.167 I think there is something to that. 747 00:22:53.167 --> 00:22:54.334 Yes, I'd like to -- 748 00:22:54.334 --> 00:22:56.367 But I don't feel that yet, I mean, I don't feel 749 00:22:56.367 --> 00:22:59.234 a sense -- because I -- you know, I think I asked you 750 00:22:59.234 --> 00:23:01.267 what is it you most want to do. 751 00:23:01.267 --> 00:23:04.901 A Peabody would be nice, too. 752 00:23:04.901 --> 00:23:05.868 They are nice, I know. 753 00:23:05.868 --> 00:23:07.000 I'm telling you, they are nice to have. 754 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.300 They are never going to give me one. 755 00:23:08.300 --> 00:23:08.868 Why not? 756 00:23:08.868 --> 00:23:09.734 I don't know. 757 00:23:09.734 --> 00:23:11.434 Are you lobbying? 758 00:23:11.434 --> 00:23:12.868 That you raise the question. 759 00:23:12.868 --> 00:23:13.634 Do I have to lobby? 760 00:23:13.634 --> 00:23:14.467 No. 761 00:23:14.467 --> 00:23:14.901 Great. 762 00:23:14.901 --> 00:23:16.167 I think if you lobby, you won't get it. 763 00:23:16.167 --> 00:23:17.234 I think it's the language. 764 00:23:17.234 --> 00:23:19.567 We sort of gave up on the whole idea of it. 765 00:23:19.567 --> 00:23:20.767 I mean, I don't know what I have got to do. 766 00:23:20.767 --> 00:23:23.067 First of all, I don't think you don't submit. 767 00:23:23.067 --> 00:23:24.300 You know, I won one a couple of years ago and I didn't 768 00:23:24.300 --> 00:23:25.734 even know I'd been -- 769 00:23:25.734 --> 00:23:27.400 I don't even want to hear this. 770 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.200 What do I got to do, I have the president in my house. 771 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:31.367 The president came over to my house. 772 00:23:31.367 --> 00:23:32.300 It's not to have the president of your house, 773 00:23:32.300 --> 00:23:34.133 it's what comes out at the president's visit to your house. 774 00:23:34.133 --> 00:23:35.300 Did you hear that interview. 775 00:23:35.300 --> 00:23:36.934 Yes, I did. 776 00:23:36.934 --> 00:23:38.367 It was damn good, too, by the way. 777 00:23:38.367 --> 00:23:38.901 Thank you. 778 00:23:38.901 --> 00:23:40.467 I think because it's called "WTF." 779 00:23:40.467 --> 00:23:43.167 I think that it's the cursing that is offending. 780 00:23:43.167 --> 00:23:44.334 They may think it's a wrestling show. 781 00:23:44.334 --> 00:23:47.033 I don't know what it is, I have given up on that. 782 00:23:47.033 --> 00:23:48.234 Yes, but peace of mind. 783 00:23:48.234 --> 00:23:48.934 Peace of mind. 784 00:23:48.934 --> 00:23:49.868 And a Peabody. 785 00:23:49.868 --> 00:23:51.801 And a Peabody. 786 00:23:51.801 --> 00:23:55.133 Well, how about being very rich? 787 00:23:55.133 --> 00:23:56.501 Would that make a difference to you? 788 00:23:56.501 --> 00:23:57.067 I don't know. 789 00:23:57.067 --> 00:23:57.934 It's not really about money for me. 790 00:23:57.934 --> 00:23:59.467 I feel like I'm earning an honest living. 791 00:23:59.467 --> 00:24:01.467 I'm not earning a show business living. 792 00:24:01.467 --> 00:24:04.834 I think that my business partner and myself work hard 793 00:24:04.834 --> 00:24:08.234 on the podcast and we earn a decent living from that. 794 00:24:08.234 --> 00:24:11.200 And the TV thing is not so huge that it's ridiculous. 795 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:12.667 And you know, I'm saving money. 796 00:24:12.667 --> 00:24:13.501 I feel pretty good about it. 797 00:24:13.501 --> 00:24:14.300 You're saving money? 798 00:24:14.300 --> 00:24:15.167 Yes, I don't spend money. 799 00:24:15.167 --> 00:24:16.868 I live in a two bedroom house. 800 00:24:16.868 --> 00:24:21.234 I get anxiety just thinking about having more bedrooms. 801 00:24:21.234 --> 00:24:22.701 But I don't know what to do with the second bedroom 802 00:24:22.701 --> 00:24:24.167 in the two bedroom. 803 00:24:24.167 --> 00:24:26.033 Are you in a good relationship? 804 00:24:26.033 --> 00:24:29.467 Yes, we're -- I'm in a -- I'm dating a painter. 805 00:24:29.467 --> 00:24:30.634 She's an abstract painter. 806 00:24:30.634 --> 00:24:31.300 That's great. 807 00:24:31.300 --> 00:24:33.567 It's a whole different world than mine. 808 00:24:33.567 --> 00:24:35.534 Season four of "Maron" premiers on IFC 809 00:24:35.534 --> 00:24:39.501 on Wednesday, May 4th at 9 p.m. 810 00:24:39.501 --> 00:24:41.167 I feel like I should say her name, Sarah Cain, 811 00:24:41.167 --> 00:24:42.067 she's a great painter. 812 00:24:42.067 --> 00:24:43.300 Sarah Kane? 813 00:24:43.300 --> 00:24:44.033 Sarah Cain. 814 00:24:44.033 --> 00:24:45.167 Like K-a-n-e? 815 00:24:45.167 --> 00:24:49.901 Like C-a-i-n, S-a-r-a-h, Sarah Cain. 816 00:24:49.901 --> 00:24:52.000 So, everybody now will be Googling Sarah 817 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.734 to see what her art looks like. 818 00:24:53.734 --> 00:24:56.467 Crash her site. 819 00:24:56.467 --> 00:24:59.434 All right, Maron premiers on Wednesday, IFC. 820 00:24:59.434 --> 00:25:00.234 Thank you for coming. 821 00:25:00.234 --> 00:25:01.234 Great to see you again. 822 00:25:01.234 --> 00:25:02.334 You too.