WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.234 --> 00:00:01.100 The New York Police Department's 2 00:00:01.100 --> 00:00:02.501 Commissioner, Bill Bratton is here. 3 00:00:02.501 --> 00:00:05.200 The "New York Times" describes him as the most widely 4 00:00:05.200 --> 00:00:08.467 recognized face in American policing who reshaped the image 5 00:00:08.467 --> 00:00:11.133 of what a police commander could be. 6 00:00:11.133 --> 00:00:13.868 He announced yesterday that he would step down in September 7 00:00:13.868 --> 00:00:16.067 after a 45 year career in law enforcement. 8 00:00:16.067 --> 00:00:18.467 Chief James O'Neill, a veteran of the department 9 00:00:18.467 --> 00:00:19.767 will succeed him. 10 00:00:19.767 --> 00:00:23.767 Bratton began as a beat cop in 1970 in Boston and rose to lead 11 00:00:23.767 --> 00:00:26.133 the police departments in Boston, Los Angeles, and 12 00:00:26.133 --> 00:00:29.767 New York where he first served under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. 13 00:00:29.767 --> 00:00:32.033 He is known for his aggressive efforts to reduce crime and 14 00:00:32.033 --> 00:00:35.601 heal racial tensions between police and minority communities. 15 00:00:35.601 --> 00:00:38.300 He spoke of his goals yesterday during a city hall 16 00:00:38.300 --> 00:00:41.567 press conference. 17 00:00:41.567 --> 00:00:44.501 When you see a policeman and this is our goal 18 00:00:44.501 --> 00:00:49.434 -- when you see a policeman, remember that he is your friend. 19 00:00:49.434 --> 00:00:52.901 That's the vision and the ideas that they share up here 20 00:00:52.901 --> 00:00:55.000 and that they will carry forward. 21 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.434 And that is happening but it doesn't happen overnight. 22 00:00:58.434 --> 00:01:00.400 It is a sea change in many respects and we've already seen 23 00:01:00.400 --> 00:01:02.801 the tide shift in that direction. 24 00:01:02.801 --> 00:01:06.300 It is a challenging time for police in America and New York 25 00:01:06.300 --> 00:01:09.267 even with all indicators pointing in the right direction. 26 00:01:09.267 --> 00:01:10.968 Commissioner Bratton has been a frequent 27 00:01:10.968 --> 00:01:13.133 guest on this program, I'm pleased to have him back 28 00:01:13.133 --> 00:01:15.601 at this table at this time, welcome. 29 00:01:15.601 --> 00:01:16.601 Good to be with you, Charlie. 30 00:01:16.601 --> 00:01:18.300 You just said this is a difficult time 31 00:01:18.300 --> 00:01:19.734 to be a police commissioner. 32 00:01:19.734 --> 00:01:21.567 There are big challenges ahead. 33 00:01:21.567 --> 00:01:23.334 So why leave? 34 00:01:23.334 --> 00:01:26.067 It's time, for me personally 35 00:01:26.067 --> 00:01:28.100 and professionally. 36 00:01:28.100 --> 00:01:31.100 Personally, I received an offer in the private sector. 37 00:01:31.100 --> 00:01:34.701 It is a good time in my life to take advantage of it 38 00:01:34.701 --> 00:01:37.601 and I'm going to look forward to going, joining a company 39 00:01:37.601 --> 00:01:39.067 called Teneo. 40 00:01:39.067 --> 00:01:42.200 Professionally the department, the New York City Police 41 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:45.567 Department, is in very good shape at this time, and I've 42 00:01:45.567 --> 00:01:48.234 worked very hard over these last several years to put in place a 43 00:01:48.234 --> 00:01:51.767 line of succession, so that my Mayor Bill de Blasio would not 44 00:01:51.767 --> 00:01:54.300 have to reach outside the department and the disruption 45 00:01:54.300 --> 00:01:56.767 that would cause to replace me. 46 00:01:56.767 --> 00:01:59.400 Jimmy O'Neill coming in behind me, I've known Jimmy for 47 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.734 25 years, going back to our transit police days, 48 00:02:02.734 --> 00:02:06.100 an extraordinary individual, the right man at the right place, 49 00:02:06.100 --> 00:02:06.968 at the right time. 50 00:02:06.968 --> 00:02:08.534 And your recommendation to the mayor. 51 00:02:08.534 --> 00:02:09.667 That was my recommendation. 52 00:02:09.667 --> 00:02:11.200 I had two recommendations. 53 00:02:11.200 --> 00:02:14.200 Jimmy, and there was Ben Tucker my first deputy commissioner, 54 00:02:14.200 --> 00:02:16.200 my two top people. 55 00:02:16.200 --> 00:02:19.501 Mayor -- after deliberation over the last several weeks, 56 00:02:19.501 --> 00:02:23.200 I notified him on July 8th that I was planning to leave, 57 00:02:23.200 --> 00:02:27.367 made the decision and notified Jimmy O'Neill literally about 58 00:02:27.367 --> 00:02:29.667 16 hours before the press conference. 59 00:02:29.667 --> 00:02:32.200 So, you expect that there will not -- there was 60 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:35.334 continuity and there will not be any changes in terms of 61 00:02:35.334 --> 00:02:37.133 the direction you set? 62 00:02:37.133 --> 00:02:40.133 No changes at all in the direction that 63 00:02:40.133 --> 00:02:42.801 the team I have around me are all like-minded. 64 00:02:42.801 --> 00:02:46.434 They are all smart as can be with great ideas, but the 65 00:02:46.434 --> 00:02:50.567 overall direction that everybody is on-board the same vessel. 66 00:02:50.567 --> 00:02:52.434 There is one issue and we'll talk about many, 67 00:02:52.434 --> 00:02:54.100 broken windows. 68 00:02:54.100 --> 00:02:56.534 What does that mean and why is it important to you 69 00:02:56.534 --> 00:02:57.801 and will it continue? 70 00:02:57.801 --> 00:02:59.767 There are two terms -- "broken windows," 71 00:02:59.767 --> 00:03:00.868 quality of life. 72 00:03:00.868 --> 00:03:03.901 Broken windows refers to an article written in 1982 by 73 00:03:03.901 --> 00:03:06.801 George Kelling and Jim Wilson, the late Jim Wilson, the idea 74 00:03:06.801 --> 00:03:09.467 that if you don't pay attention to little things that they can 75 00:03:09.467 --> 00:03:11.200 grow into big things. 76 00:03:11.200 --> 00:03:16.067 And actually, Sir Robert Peel, 1829, in his philosophy of 77 00:03:16.067 --> 00:03:19.400 policing, the basic mission for which the police exist is to 78 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.100 prevent crime and disorder. 79 00:03:22.100 --> 00:03:24.868 '70s and '80s in America under the pressures we were 80 00:03:24.868 --> 00:03:27.367 dealing with, we stopped focusing on the disorder 81 00:03:27.367 --> 00:03:29.200 and focused only on the serious crime. 82 00:03:29.200 --> 00:03:31.467 And we did not do a good job focusing on that because 83 00:03:31.467 --> 00:03:34.267 it grew to record proportions by 1990. 84 00:03:34.267 --> 00:03:37.601 I think the secret of my success, my successful career, 85 00:03:37.601 --> 00:03:39.367 I think it's been successful --Washington, New York, 86 00:03:39.367 --> 00:03:43.234 Los Angeles -- is that I focus on both the minor things 87 00:03:43.234 --> 00:03:44.133 and the big things. 88 00:03:44.133 --> 00:03:46.367 The minor things are the so-called broken windows: 89 00:03:46.367 --> 00:03:49.567 the street prostitution, street narcotics dealing, graffiti, 90 00:03:49.567 --> 00:03:53.634 abandoned cars, things that people see every day because 91 00:03:53.634 --> 00:03:57.234 even in the most crime-ridden cities, most people are not 92 00:03:57.234 --> 00:03:59.934 victims of serious crime, but they are victims 93 00:03:59.934 --> 00:04:00.868 of their neighborhood -- 94 00:04:00.868 --> 00:04:02.067 So, it's an optic. 95 00:04:02.067 --> 00:04:05.267 It's an optic but it's an optic that generates 96 00:04:05.267 --> 00:04:09.200 then a feeling, and the current controversy about homeless 97 00:04:09.200 --> 00:04:13.334 on the streets -- street people in every major American city 98 00:04:13.334 --> 00:04:14.501 is an optic. 99 00:04:14.501 --> 00:04:16.100 People see that, they are disturbed by it. 100 00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:18.400 In our city, New York City, the city we love, 101 00:04:18.400 --> 00:04:20.100 there's great concern about that. 102 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:22.834 It's nowhere near where it was back in the '90s with half of 103 00:04:22.834 --> 00:04:26.133 this population in New York today weren't here in the '90s. 104 00:04:26.133 --> 00:04:28.934 Was there any opposition to the idea 105 00:04:28.934 --> 00:04:32.200 or the term by the minority communities? 106 00:04:32.200 --> 00:04:35.868 The last several years has seen, as part of the 107 00:04:35.868 --> 00:04:43.200 growth of a sentiment in many minority communities that broken 108 00:04:43.200 --> 00:04:46.200 windows was disproportionately being applied to them, 109 00:04:46.200 --> 00:04:48.200 quality of life enforcement. 110 00:04:48.200 --> 00:04:52.467 But the point I make is the disproportionate amount of time 111 00:04:52.467 --> 00:04:54.834 that police spend in poor neighborhoods, oftentimes 112 00:04:54.834 --> 00:04:58.334 minority neighborhoods, is due to two things. 113 00:04:58.334 --> 00:05:01.300 One, the high crime rates there which are disproportionately 114 00:05:01.300 --> 00:05:04.400 higher than many other areas in most American cities. 115 00:05:04.400 --> 00:05:08.200 But also the disproportionate amount of calls that we get -- 116 00:05:08.200 --> 00:05:12.801 311, 911 -- to come in to those neighborhoods to assist, 117 00:05:12.801 --> 00:05:17.067 are we to ignore those calls, the idea that proportionately, 118 00:05:17.067 --> 00:05:21.734 well, you're only going to get 300 responses because we're 119 00:05:21.734 --> 00:05:24.033 doing 300 responses in these other neighborhoods. 120 00:05:24.033 --> 00:05:26.200 You go where the calls come from. 121 00:05:26.200 --> 00:05:29.067 And the great debate I have with those that are advocating 122 00:05:29.067 --> 00:05:33.267 that this is disproportionate impact, I did NPR this morning, 123 00:05:33.267 --> 00:05:37.200 and the interviewer started off with targeting of minority 124 00:05:37.200 --> 00:05:38.901 communities with quality of life. 125 00:05:38.901 --> 00:05:41.067 I took great affront at targeting. 126 00:05:41.067 --> 00:05:41.934 We don't target. 127 00:05:41.934 --> 00:05:43.434 We go where the calls come from. 128 00:05:43.434 --> 00:05:47.200 We go where the illness is. 129 00:05:47.200 --> 00:05:49.200 There's also the relationships you mention in 130 00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:53.501 some of the communities between police and neighborhoods. 131 00:05:53.501 --> 00:05:56.334 Have you been able to do what you wanted to do or is that 132 00:05:56.334 --> 00:05:59.667 an open-ended question with much work left to be done? 133 00:05:59.667 --> 00:06:02.534 Because you have said that challenges will take years to... 134 00:06:02.534 --> 00:06:03.133 Correct. 135 00:06:03.133 --> 00:06:04.000 ...achieve. 136 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.501 Let me speak to the City of New York briefly. 137 00:06:06.501 --> 00:06:09.133 On the issue of crime, we've clearly shown with crime down 138 00:06:09.133 --> 00:06:13.000 25 straight years, no American city can match that, 139 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.100 80% less than it was 25 years ago. 140 00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:19.200 We're there in the sense of precision policing on crime. 141 00:06:19.200 --> 00:06:21.767 We're there on preparing the city against the act of 142 00:06:21.767 --> 00:06:24.567 terrorism or responding quickly if we have one. 143 00:06:24.567 --> 00:06:27.934 I see this morning where London is emulating the 550 unit -- 144 00:06:27.934 --> 00:06:30.801 person unit we created for counterterrorism. 145 00:06:30.801 --> 00:06:34.400 They are creating a 500 person unit, heavily armed, 146 00:06:34.400 --> 00:06:36.767 heavily-equipped to deal with their terrorism issue. 147 00:06:36.767 --> 00:06:37.834 This is under the direction of John Miller, 148 00:06:37.834 --> 00:06:38.667 Deputy Commissioner. 149 00:06:38.667 --> 00:06:39.334 That's correct. 150 00:06:39.334 --> 00:06:41.734 So, we did it here, London is now emulating that. 151 00:06:41.734 --> 00:06:44.133 Thirdly, in the area of technology because we had a lot 152 00:06:44.133 --> 00:06:46.801 of money to spend in equipment, safety for our officers, 153 00:06:46.801 --> 00:06:49.634 training, nobody is doing more than we are doing here. 154 00:06:49.634 --> 00:06:52.901 But the fourth area which is for 400 years there's been 155 00:06:52.901 --> 00:06:56.400 a problem in our country, racial relations and the role of police 156 00:06:56.400 --> 00:06:59.334 in that, we're the original slave catchers, then during 157 00:06:59.334 --> 00:07:01.501 segregation, we enforced that. 158 00:07:01.501 --> 00:07:05.267 That is still the unresolved issue... 159 00:07:05.267 --> 00:07:07.133 Why is that? 160 00:07:07.133 --> 00:07:12.801 I mean because now we have video and it enhances the sense of -- 161 00:07:12.801 --> 00:07:17.067 especially if it's police violence against individuals, 162 00:07:17.067 --> 00:07:21.868 in some cases it looks uncalled for. 163 00:07:21.868 --> 00:07:24.200 You used the term it looks uncalled for. 164 00:07:24.200 --> 00:07:25.868 We have an expression in policing, 165 00:07:25.868 --> 00:07:28.200 it's lawful, but it looks awful. 166 00:07:28.200 --> 00:07:28.701 Right. 167 00:07:28.701 --> 00:07:32.033 Any police use of force to overcome 168 00:07:32.033 --> 00:07:36.934 the resistance of a person being taken into custody looks awful, 169 00:07:36.934 --> 00:07:40.634 any use of force, and what we clearly have seen is that 170 00:07:40.634 --> 00:07:43.934 in some instances, the police force is inappropriate, but most 171 00:07:43.934 --> 00:07:46.901 police -- the vast majority of use of force by police 172 00:07:46.901 --> 00:07:50.300 is in response to people resisting arrest. 173 00:07:50.300 --> 00:07:52.934 Ironically, in the State of New York, it is illegal to resist 174 00:07:52.934 --> 00:07:58.267 arrest but the vast majority of videos I see of my officers are 175 00:07:58.267 --> 00:08:02.367 actions in which they are being very vigorously resisted 176 00:08:02.367 --> 00:08:03.801 as they attempt to make an arrest. 177 00:08:03.801 --> 00:08:07.634 And that problem seems to be increasing here and nationally, 178 00:08:07.634 --> 00:08:10.701 this tension, this fighting, if you will. 179 00:08:10.701 --> 00:08:13.200 Now, I'm careful here to say, I mean, we're 180 00:08:13.200 --> 00:08:15.968 obviously talking about isolated instances, but it does lead to 181 00:08:15.968 --> 00:08:20.133 the question, does there need to be training and sensitizing 182 00:08:20.133 --> 00:08:23.667 of police officials, even in New York City 183 00:08:23.667 --> 00:08:25.834 where there is reform bee underway? 184 00:08:25.834 --> 00:08:26.534 Definitely. 185 00:08:26.534 --> 00:08:30.100 We are going to be spending tens of millions of dollars 186 00:08:30.100 --> 00:08:32.434 and already have spent tens of millions of dollars 187 00:08:32.434 --> 00:08:34.400 on retraining the whole force. 188 00:08:34.400 --> 00:08:35.834 This past year, the whole force went through 189 00:08:35.834 --> 00:08:37.567 a three-day training period. 190 00:08:37.567 --> 00:08:42.434 This year the three-day training period will focus on implicit 191 00:08:42.434 --> 00:08:46.934 bias, will focus on police legitimacy, on procedural 192 00:08:46.934 --> 00:08:50.300 justice, all the issues that are very much in the forefront 193 00:08:50.300 --> 00:08:54.767 of trying to resolve more successfully issues of 194 00:08:54.767 --> 00:08:58.501 racial tension, minority concerns about the police. 195 00:08:58.501 --> 00:09:00.801 Define for us implicit bias. 196 00:09:00.801 --> 00:09:04.133 Implicit bias is relatively new field of science. 197 00:09:04.133 --> 00:09:06.133 That's the term that's only come into vogue 198 00:09:06.133 --> 00:09:07.400 in the last several years. 199 00:09:07.400 --> 00:09:11.868 And the idea is that all of us have biases that we might not 200 00:09:11.868 --> 00:09:14.367 even recognize that are below the surface. 201 00:09:14.367 --> 00:09:17.801 And that sometimes that implicit bias may in fact 202 00:09:17.801 --> 00:09:20.300 control actions that we take. 203 00:09:20.300 --> 00:09:22.868 In the area of race, it's the idea that we might have an 204 00:09:22.868 --> 00:09:26.133 implicit bias where we respond to a black differently than we 205 00:09:26.133 --> 00:09:31.033 would to a white and what we're going to try to do is teach 206 00:09:31.033 --> 00:09:34.868 our officers that it's like original sin. 207 00:09:34.868 --> 00:09:38.100 We all have it, but we can control it if we recognize 208 00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:39.834 that we have it. 209 00:09:39.834 --> 00:09:45.400 And that it's the idea of changing an unknown bad habit. 210 00:09:45.400 --> 00:09:48.601 We all have things that we do that we're not even aware of. 211 00:09:48.601 --> 00:09:51.968 I'm interested in what explains a case where it 212 00:09:51.968 --> 00:09:55.734 may be implicit bias, it may be something else, beyond somebody 213 00:09:55.734 --> 00:09:59.234 resisting arrest as we would come to understand it. 214 00:09:59.234 --> 00:10:01.634 I mean it is uncalled for clearly to shoot somebody 215 00:10:01.634 --> 00:10:03.234 who's walking away, is it not? 216 00:10:03.234 --> 00:10:04.434 Well, certainly we've had, clearly, 217 00:10:04.434 --> 00:10:07.767 some of the videos are irrefutably inappropriate. 218 00:10:07.767 --> 00:10:10.434 The one in South Carolina I think where the gentleman was 219 00:10:10.434 --> 00:10:13.400 about 30 feet away from the officer when he fired half 220 00:10:13.400 --> 00:10:18.968 a dozen times at him, that was clearly under any circumstances 221 00:10:18.968 --> 00:10:21.334 inappropriate, illegal certainly. 222 00:10:21.334 --> 00:10:22.334 How about the Garner case here? 223 00:10:22.334 --> 00:10:24.200 Garner case has not been resolved 224 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.234 in the department... 225 00:10:26.234 --> 00:10:27.200 In the department? 226 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:28.000 In the department. 227 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.000 It's been resolved in the criminal courts. 228 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:34.267 It is currently being battled out between main justice 229 00:10:34.267 --> 00:10:35.801 and the eastern district here in New York. 230 00:10:35.801 --> 00:10:39.367 It's the case of Mr. Garner who during an attempted arrest 231 00:10:39.367 --> 00:10:43.200 succumbed to what we believe to be one of the issues 232 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:44.901 was a potential chokehold. 233 00:10:44.901 --> 00:10:46.133 Right. 234 00:10:46.133 --> 00:10:48.467 I can't comment more specifically because 235 00:10:48.467 --> 00:10:52.200 not me, but now my successor Jim O'Neill will end up 236 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.200 administratively making a determination, was it 237 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.734 inappropriate conduct on the part of the officer? 238 00:10:58.734 --> 00:11:01.200 We made those decisions on that because we're on hold until 239 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:03.267 the feds finish their investigation. 240 00:11:03.267 --> 00:11:05.267 And how fearful are you about what happened 241 00:11:05.267 --> 00:11:08.000 in Dallas and Baton Rouge? 242 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.000 We continue to remain very fearful about that 243 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.234 because those incidents began here in New York City. 244 00:11:13.234 --> 00:11:16.701 In December of 2014, just before Christmas, two of my police 245 00:11:16.701 --> 00:11:19.434 officers, uniformed in a marked car, were murdered 246 00:11:19.434 --> 00:11:23.100 in direct response to the Garner incident. 247 00:11:23.100 --> 00:11:26.234 A gentleman travelled up from Baltimore with the intention of 248 00:11:26.234 --> 00:11:30.501 killing police officers in a misguided response to 249 00:11:30.501 --> 00:11:32.200 the Garner incident. 250 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.701 That was the beginning of so many of the issues that have 251 00:11:35.701 --> 00:11:38.100 been on the forefront of the papers today 252 00:11:38.100 --> 00:11:40.200 and the contemporary issues in America. 253 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.868 We are so aware and concerned about that. 254 00:11:43.868 --> 00:11:48.200 I've just spent in the last month, $7.5 million buying 255 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:50.868 20,000 ballistic helmets, very similar to what our military 256 00:11:50.868 --> 00:11:55.100 wear, and 6,000 heavy-duty ballistic vests that officers 257 00:11:55.100 --> 00:11:58.133 would wear over their existing vests that are capable 258 00:11:58.133 --> 00:12:01.767 of stopping a rifle round from an AR-15. 259 00:12:01.767 --> 00:12:06.400 And we are providing phenomenal amounts of training. 260 00:12:06.400 --> 00:12:09.300 The "New York Times" just did a major piece on the training 261 00:12:09.300 --> 00:12:11.300 we're providing 12 officers. 262 00:12:11.300 --> 00:12:14.067 That unfortunately is the State of American policing in terms of 263 00:12:14.067 --> 00:12:16.968 the terrorist threat that we have to be prepared with -- 264 00:12:16.968 --> 00:12:18.834 prepared for, the active shooters similar to what 265 00:12:18.834 --> 00:12:20.501 we've seen in Paris. 266 00:12:20.501 --> 00:12:24.701 The potential, what we saw in Dallas and Baton Rouge. 267 00:12:24.701 --> 00:12:26.701 And turning back to terrorism, too, John Miller 268 00:12:26.701 --> 00:12:29.000 within his -- the deputy commissioner and our friend 269 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:33.767 John Miller, terrorism and intelligence, is the most 270 00:12:33.767 --> 00:12:37.801 troubling issue the idea of the lone wolf because there's 271 00:12:37.801 --> 00:12:41.133 no connection necessarily to intelligence? 272 00:12:41.133 --> 00:12:41.734 Terrorism -- 273 00:12:41.734 --> 00:12:43.667 To intelligence reporting? 274 00:12:43.667 --> 00:12:45.968 Prior to 2014, we were concerned within 275 00:12:45.968 --> 00:12:48.968 our country mass shooting lone wolves. 276 00:12:48.968 --> 00:12:52.634 We saw that in Aurora, Colorado, Columbine was the first of them. 277 00:12:52.634 --> 00:12:57.734 But then with the growth of ISIS in 2014, just as John Miller 278 00:12:57.734 --> 00:13:01.901 and I are coming in with NYPD, ISIS using social media 279 00:13:01.901 --> 00:13:05.901 encourages and seeks to, we have three terms that James 280 00:13:05.901 --> 00:13:09.868 Comey the FBI Director coined, a directed attack 281 00:13:09.868 --> 00:13:13.033 in which they would send, as they did in Paris, agents out of 282 00:13:13.033 --> 00:13:16.300 Syria; an enabled attack in which they give instructions to 283 00:13:16.300 --> 00:13:18.467 an individual on how to carry out one. 284 00:13:18.467 --> 00:13:20.801 And then an inspired attack where they just use 285 00:13:20.801 --> 00:13:24.834 social media, grab a knife, grab an axe, get a car, 286 00:13:24.834 --> 00:13:28.200 and we've seen repeatedly where people will respond to that. 287 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.400 That inspired act is the most difficult. 288 00:13:31.400 --> 00:13:35.567 And how do you identify, unless you spot them on social media 289 00:13:35.567 --> 00:13:38.367 which we were constantly scanning, you see them connect. 290 00:13:38.367 --> 00:13:40.734 Well, this is that "see something, say something" 291 00:13:40.734 --> 00:13:43.234 that we ask people if you see somebody becoming radicalized 292 00:13:43.234 --> 00:13:47.968 or starting to act strangely, report it, let's investigate. 293 00:13:47.968 --> 00:13:50.200 Now that we have access to the computer files of 294 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.567 the people who do these things, often they are killed in the act 295 00:13:53.567 --> 00:13:57.200 of the terrorism or the mass murder, what are we learning? 296 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.200 Is there a profile of them? 297 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.400 There is no one consistent profile. 298 00:14:01.400 --> 00:14:03.634 There are various things that might set them off. 299 00:14:03.634 --> 00:14:07.367 The individual that spontaneously attacked four of 300 00:14:07.367 --> 00:14:10.033 my uniformed street officers standing on the corner with 301 00:14:10.033 --> 00:14:13.767 a hatchet, almost killing one of them before he himself 302 00:14:13.767 --> 00:14:16.334 was killed by several of the officers. 303 00:14:16.334 --> 00:14:24.634 That individual started off focused on his computer on black 304 00:14:24.634 --> 00:14:28.234 sites, if you will, in terms of black liberation sites, and then 305 00:14:28.234 --> 00:14:31.100 at some point about a month before the attacks switched over 306 00:14:31.100 --> 00:14:36.200 to the ISIS Al-Qaeda sites, so his motivation went from 307 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.968 one of race to now one of religion. 308 00:14:39.968 --> 00:14:45.234 And so his circumstance is different than let's say 309 00:14:45.234 --> 00:14:46.734 somebody else's. 310 00:14:46.734 --> 00:14:49.767 There's probably not a constant theme other than the fact that 311 00:14:49.767 --> 00:14:52.968 John Miller used the term that they engaged in these acts 312 00:14:52.968 --> 00:14:55.367 because they want to feel empowered. 313 00:14:55.367 --> 00:14:58.367 They want to feel that they're belonging to something. 314 00:14:58.367 --> 00:15:01.234 It's a reflection, particularly what ISIS put out, 315 00:15:01.234 --> 00:15:03.734 it's a manifestation of valor. 316 00:15:03.734 --> 00:15:07.200 So, these are people who are searching for an identity, 317 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:08.667 searching for a cause. 318 00:15:08.667 --> 00:15:11.667 So if there's a commonality, it's those three themes: 319 00:15:11.667 --> 00:15:15.334 valor, belonging, and being inspired. 320 00:15:15.334 --> 00:15:16.133 There's a federal investigation of 321 00:15:16.133 --> 00:15:19.801 corruption in the department. 322 00:15:19.801 --> 00:15:24.300 What's that about and how large a worry is it for you? 323 00:15:24.300 --> 00:15:26.000 There's actually two investigations, two separate 324 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.534 entities, two separate occurred at the same time. 325 00:15:29.534 --> 00:15:32.501 We are collaborating very closely, my internal affairs 326 00:15:32.501 --> 00:15:36.434 division with the federal agencies -- the FBI, 327 00:15:36.434 --> 00:15:38.200 U.S. Attorney in the southern district. 328 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:42.467 And the -- one investigation involves illegal sale of 329 00:15:42.467 --> 00:15:46.601 gun licenses by my gun licensing unit. 330 00:15:46.601 --> 00:15:48.767 That one has been very contained. 331 00:15:48.767 --> 00:15:51.667 We've got the identification of the individuals involved in 332 00:15:51.667 --> 00:15:54.701 that, police officers and the people that obtained permits 333 00:15:54.701 --> 00:15:56.467 inappropriately. 334 00:15:56.467 --> 00:15:59.934 The second investigation is of a different nature in which 335 00:15:59.934 --> 00:16:02.834 a number of officers, including senior officers of the 336 00:16:02.834 --> 00:16:05.501 department, deputy chiefs which is about the fourth level down 337 00:16:05.501 --> 00:16:09.400 in the organization, it's been alleged with four arrests that 338 00:16:09.400 --> 00:16:14.434 some of them were distributing police favors in exchange for 339 00:16:14.434 --> 00:16:20.234 trips, access to prostitutes, very egregious violations 340 00:16:20.234 --> 00:16:22.634 of their responsibilities. 341 00:16:22.634 --> 00:16:27.667 A number of others that their activity, while inappropriate 342 00:16:27.667 --> 00:16:31.033 has not risen to the level of a criminal indictment arrest, 343 00:16:31.033 --> 00:16:34.367 a number of those individuals have retired from the department 344 00:16:34.367 --> 00:16:38.501 and that when they retire, many of them are losing upwards of 345 00:16:38.501 --> 00:16:41.601 a quarter of a million to half a million dollars in back pay 346 00:16:41.601 --> 00:16:44.434 because they are being pushed out the door early. 347 00:16:44.434 --> 00:16:46.801 Others that remain will be subject to administrative 348 00:16:46.801 --> 00:16:49.501 charges for their inappropriate conduct. 349 00:16:49.501 --> 00:16:53.033 So as of right now, I think we have four individuals 350 00:16:53.033 --> 00:16:54.334 who have been arrested. 351 00:16:54.334 --> 00:17:00.934 I think in excess of ten have retired and another half dozen 352 00:17:00.934 --> 00:17:03.467 or so are under active investigation. 353 00:17:03.467 --> 00:17:05.133 You have been a high profile 354 00:17:05.133 --> 00:17:07.501 police commissioner. 355 00:17:07.501 --> 00:17:10.834 Ray Kelly was a high profile police commissioner, 356 00:17:10.834 --> 00:17:13.467 is that helpful? 357 00:17:13.467 --> 00:17:15.868 In New York City, you can't help but be 358 00:17:15.868 --> 00:17:17.667 high profile with the media capital of the world, 359 00:17:17.667 --> 00:17:19.968 that's the reality of it. 360 00:17:19.968 --> 00:17:22.701 If you're not comfortable dealing with the media you don't 361 00:17:22.701 --> 00:17:24.701 want to be a New York City police commissioner. 362 00:17:24.701 --> 00:17:27.601 You have to be able to sit and talk with a Charlie Rose. 363 00:17:27.601 --> 00:17:30.200 You have to get in front of 20 cameras when there's 364 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:31.334 a major incident. 365 00:17:31.334 --> 00:17:35.267 You have to deal with two tabloids that are constantly 366 00:17:35.267 --> 00:17:38.968 seeking to put the department on the front page, hopefully 367 00:17:38.968 --> 00:17:44.000 with good news but very often with not so good news, so I have 368 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.434 to chuckle when people accuse whether it's Commissioner 369 00:17:46.434 --> 00:17:51.200 Kelly, myself, or predecessors of being high profile, 370 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:54.200 that it comes with the job, if you are not -- 371 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.734 So, you are suggesting that Commissioner 372 00:17:56.734 --> 00:17:59.634 O'Neill will be as high profile as you and Ray Kelly 373 00:17:59.634 --> 00:18:02.200 have been simply because it goes with the job? 374 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.100 Different personality, but he will -- 375 00:18:04.100 --> 00:18:07.234 I've tried to, with my staff, Bob Boyce, my chief of 376 00:18:07.234 --> 00:18:09.868 detectives, is all over the news all the time. 377 00:18:09.868 --> 00:18:13.133 Jimmy O'Neill has been all over the news all the time 378 00:18:13.133 --> 00:18:14.968 consciously pushing them out. 379 00:18:14.968 --> 00:18:17.901 I don't want just one face to be the face of the NYPD. 380 00:18:17.901 --> 00:18:21.567 I want the public to feel confident that it is a team. 381 00:18:21.567 --> 00:18:24.834 And Jimmy has had now great preparations over the last two 382 00:18:24.834 --> 00:18:27.767 years because he has handled a lot of these press conferences, 383 00:18:27.767 --> 00:18:30.968 interviews, so he's already practiced at it. 384 00:18:30.968 --> 00:18:34.367 I had a lot of practice through the years -- Boston, New York, 385 00:18:34.367 --> 00:18:36.601 L.A., back here. 386 00:18:36.601 --> 00:18:39.100 I enjoy it, I like the give and take. 387 00:18:39.100 --> 00:18:42.400 When you took this job, you came in and John 388 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:44.601 Miller came in and joined you as deputy commissioner for 389 00:18:44.601 --> 00:18:50.100 intelligence and terrorism, when you took the job 390 00:18:50.100 --> 00:18:52.000 what did you hope to accomplish? 391 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.734 What was the standard that you wanted to establish? 392 00:18:56.734 --> 00:19:00.834 In the four areas we discussed, one dealing 393 00:19:00.834 --> 00:19:03.834 with crime to show that crime could continue to go down. 394 00:19:03.834 --> 00:19:04.801 And it has? 395 00:19:04.801 --> 00:19:07.033 And it has and will continue to. 396 00:19:07.033 --> 00:19:09.734 To deal with the controversy at that time around 397 00:19:09.734 --> 00:19:11.767 stop, question, and frisk. 398 00:19:11.767 --> 00:19:15.200 And my belief that the department was in fact doing 399 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.767 too much of it and that we could do less of it and still keep 400 00:19:17.767 --> 00:19:20.367 crime going down and that has been accomplished. 401 00:19:20.367 --> 00:19:22.200 We had as many 700,000 -- 402 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:24.367 So you do less stop and frisk? 403 00:19:24.367 --> 00:19:25.634 That's right, in other words, 404 00:19:25.634 --> 00:19:27.267 much more precision policing. 405 00:19:27.267 --> 00:19:29.133 This year we'll do about 15,000. 406 00:19:29.133 --> 00:19:33.033 About 20 to 25% of those stops result in arrest or a summons 407 00:19:33.033 --> 00:19:35.734 meaning that we're stopping the right people most of the time 408 00:19:35.734 --> 00:19:37.601 -- a large part of the time. 409 00:19:37.601 --> 00:19:39.734 The third area I wanted to advance the department was 410 00:19:39.734 --> 00:19:42.501 in this whole abrasive neighborhood policing as I call 411 00:19:42.501 --> 00:19:46.701 it, term I used back in 1975 in Boston, that Jimmy O'Neill has 412 00:19:46.701 --> 00:19:49.767 taken ownership of and that will be the hallmark of his 413 00:19:49.767 --> 00:19:53.300 administration, bringing police and community together 414 00:19:53.300 --> 00:19:55.434 with new ways of policing. 415 00:19:55.434 --> 00:19:58.601 The other area was technology that the 21st century 416 00:19:58.601 --> 00:20:01.234 in policing is all about technology. 417 00:20:01.234 --> 00:20:04.501 I'm blessed in a city that has a great economy, lot of tax 418 00:20:04.501 --> 00:20:07.968 revenue, a mayor that gave me over the last couple of years 419 00:20:07.968 --> 00:20:13.434 almost $2 billion to spend on the NYPD, huge amounts of money. 420 00:20:13.434 --> 00:20:14.734 So, I'm leaving at the right time -- 421 00:20:14.734 --> 00:20:16.334 And you added 1,300 officers? 422 00:20:16.334 --> 00:20:19.300 And also to grow the department, and -- but also, 423 00:20:19.300 --> 00:20:21.601 we added the equivalent of almost a thousand more than that 424 00:20:21.601 --> 00:20:23.467 because we've been hiring civilians. 425 00:20:23.467 --> 00:20:25.934 We're hiring 700 cadets who will eventually become 426 00:20:25.934 --> 00:20:26.801 police officers. 427 00:20:26.801 --> 00:20:28.701 There's been incredible growth. 428 00:20:28.701 --> 00:20:29.567 Let's talk about the relationship with 429 00:20:29.567 --> 00:20:33.334 Bill de Blasio, did you know him well when you took the job? 430 00:20:33.334 --> 00:20:33.934 I did not. 431 00:20:33.934 --> 00:20:36.534 That along with several others of the mayoral candidates 432 00:20:36.534 --> 00:20:41.033 in the run up to that election in 2013, I advised them, 433 00:20:41.033 --> 00:20:43.067 gave them my thoughts on stop, question, and frisk, 434 00:20:43.067 --> 00:20:44.334 for example. 435 00:20:44.334 --> 00:20:47.534 And I was fortunate enough that he gave me a second bite of the 436 00:20:47.534 --> 00:20:49.868 apple -- literally a second bite of the big apple -- 437 00:20:49.868 --> 00:20:52.200 and came back as his police commissioner. 438 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.367 Over these last two and a half years, I developed a profound 439 00:20:55.367 --> 00:20:59.701 respect for his support of me and this department. 440 00:20:59.701 --> 00:21:03.267 And my greatest regret as I go out the door is that he is not 441 00:21:03.267 --> 00:21:05.501 respected or appreciated for that. 442 00:21:05.501 --> 00:21:06.601 And why do you think it is? 443 00:21:06.601 --> 00:21:08.968 I wish I knew because I'd like to 444 00:21:08.968 --> 00:21:10.234 solve that problem. 445 00:21:10.234 --> 00:21:14.434 The Bill de Blasio I know cares about his cops to the extent 446 00:21:14.434 --> 00:21:18.200 that out of the resources he has, he has been extraordinarily 447 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:21.834 generous to us -- safety issues, cleaning up the police precincts 448 00:21:21.834 --> 00:21:24.267 for the first time in hundred years, the most modern 449 00:21:24.267 --> 00:21:26.267 equipment in American policing. 450 00:21:26.267 --> 00:21:30.634 So this guy I know, the guy who's not intrusive into my 451 00:21:30.634 --> 00:21:33.901 management of the department, who is inquisitive 452 00:21:33.901 --> 00:21:34.901 but not intrusive. 453 00:21:34.901 --> 00:21:35.901 But if you don't know, who knows, I mean, 454 00:21:35.901 --> 00:21:39.434 you're at the center of this, you know all parties. 455 00:21:39.434 --> 00:21:41.534 You know the police, you know him, and you know the community. 456 00:21:41.534 --> 00:21:42.067 Yes. 457 00:21:42.067 --> 00:21:44.100 Charlie, you and I travel in some of the same social circles, 458 00:21:44.100 --> 00:21:47.234 that we hear it all the time, and I say to them, 459 00:21:47.234 --> 00:21:50.067 some of these people are pretty wealthy people, 460 00:21:50.067 --> 00:21:52.100 and what has he done to you? 461 00:21:52.100 --> 00:21:54.968 Crime is down, your taxes haven't gone up, 462 00:21:54.968 --> 00:21:57.067 that your social status hasn't changed. 463 00:21:57.067 --> 00:22:00.033 Why this visceral dislike? 464 00:22:00.033 --> 00:22:03.567 I can't figure it out because the individual I've had the 465 00:22:03.567 --> 00:22:06.934 privilege of working with was giving me such responsibility 466 00:22:06.934 --> 00:22:10.267 but also given me such authority that has resulted 467 00:22:10.267 --> 00:22:13.667 I think in my being able to leave with my record intact, 468 00:22:13.667 --> 00:22:16.601 of having significant change on American policing. 469 00:22:16.601 --> 00:22:18.667 And to set into motion a seamless -- 470 00:22:18.667 --> 00:22:22.334 Yes, which is -- it very seldom happens. 471 00:22:22.334 --> 00:22:23.901 It happened for me in L.A. because I did 472 00:22:23.901 --> 00:22:24.901 the same thing there... 473 00:22:24.901 --> 00:22:25.901 But generally what happens when you make 474 00:22:25.901 --> 00:22:27.400 a choice, other people leave because they think 475 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:28.734 their future is not there? 476 00:22:28.734 --> 00:22:30.601 Well for example, he's being encouraged 477 00:22:30.601 --> 00:22:33.701 to, when they hired that chief from Dallas who did such a great 478 00:22:33.701 --> 00:22:35.033 job during that awful situation. 479 00:22:35.033 --> 00:22:35.934 Right. 480 00:22:35.934 --> 00:22:38.400 Or this one or that one, he understood the 481 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.734 difficulty of running the NYPD. 482 00:22:40.734 --> 00:22:43.901 A stranger coming in would take a year to get up to speed. 483 00:22:43.901 --> 00:22:47.300 Why interrupt the momentum like bringing in a stranger when you 484 00:22:47.300 --> 00:22:50.901 have several people that are very capable of keeping 485 00:22:50.901 --> 00:22:53.534 and moving down the track without interruption? 486 00:22:53.534 --> 00:22:54.934 Before I leave Bill de Blasio, though, 487 00:22:54.934 --> 00:22:59.534 there was a moment at which he came to speak at a funeral 488 00:22:59.534 --> 00:23:03.300 and police turned their back on him. 489 00:23:03.300 --> 00:23:04.801 And that's unfortunate. 490 00:23:04.801 --> 00:23:06.000 I spoke out about that. 491 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.834 It was an awful time in the city's history, an awful time 492 00:23:09.834 --> 00:23:12.300 in my 45 years in the business. 493 00:23:12.300 --> 00:23:16.467 I still regret very much the actions of New York City Police 494 00:23:16.467 --> 00:23:19.868 Officers, it was inappropriate, particularly at a funeral. 495 00:23:19.868 --> 00:23:21.000 Why did they do it? 496 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.634 That there is a significant dislike on the part 497 00:23:23.634 --> 00:23:26.267 of the rank and file of the NYPD for this mayor, 498 00:23:26.267 --> 00:23:27.601 which once again -- 499 00:23:27.601 --> 00:23:28.834 Why there, why that? 500 00:23:28.834 --> 00:23:32.634 There's enough of a dislike on the part of the rank and file 501 00:23:32.634 --> 00:23:35.200 of the NYPD and you are the commissioner, 502 00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:38.434 it's your job to explain to your... 503 00:23:38.434 --> 00:23:39.434 My job... 504 00:23:39.434 --> 00:23:41.601 ...rank and file, in part is... 505 00:23:41.601 --> 00:23:43.868 My job is to keep crime going down, 506 00:23:43.868 --> 00:23:45.234 keep the city safe. 507 00:23:45.234 --> 00:23:46.634 Crime has continued to go down. 508 00:23:46.634 --> 00:23:48.300 No, your job, in addition to that is also, and 509 00:23:48.300 --> 00:23:54.367 I would assume, some sense of motivating, being a sense of 510 00:23:54.367 --> 00:23:57.634 voice for the people who worked for you at the same time being 511 00:23:57.634 --> 00:24:01.667 some sense of communicating to them what you see as a reality. 512 00:24:01.667 --> 00:24:03.400 Well, I think I've been a very active voice 513 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:06.234 on their behalf in terms of the response of 514 00:24:06.234 --> 00:24:07.467 this mayor to their needs. 515 00:24:07.467 --> 00:24:07.901 Right. 516 00:24:07.901 --> 00:24:11.000 There is a multi-year contract issue 517 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:13.300 that's been unresolved that is a source of a great deal of 518 00:24:13.300 --> 00:24:15.200 resentment particularly on the part of the leadership 519 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:16.534 of the union. 520 00:24:16.534 --> 00:24:21.501 But in terms of I think I have done a very good job trying to 521 00:24:21.501 --> 00:24:25.601 deal with the deck I was dealt in terms of a mayor 522 00:24:25.601 --> 00:24:27.801 who the police do not like for a variety of reasons 523 00:24:27.801 --> 00:24:29.567 which I don't fully understand. 524 00:24:29.567 --> 00:24:30.601 What are those reasons is what I'm asking? 525 00:24:30.601 --> 00:24:33.801 That it had to do principally with comments 526 00:24:33.801 --> 00:24:35.067 that the mayor made. 527 00:24:35.067 --> 00:24:35.834 Early on. 528 00:24:35.834 --> 00:24:37.434 He is in a mixed race marriage -- 529 00:24:37.434 --> 00:24:39.467 marriage with an African American woman. 530 00:24:39.467 --> 00:24:41.100 He has mixed race children. 531 00:24:41.100 --> 00:24:44.234 And he made a comment, at the time we were dealing with 532 00:24:44.234 --> 00:24:47.634 the horrific murder of our two detectives, that advice that he 533 00:24:47.634 --> 00:24:52.868 gives to his son about dealing with police to and every African 534 00:24:52.868 --> 00:24:55.901 American I have ever dealt with, including many whites, 535 00:24:55.901 --> 00:24:57.868 talk about advising their children when dealing with 536 00:24:57.868 --> 00:25:00.868 the police, to do certain things, which is effectively 537 00:25:00.868 --> 00:25:03.801 don't put your life... 538 00:25:03.801 --> 00:25:05.067 Some call it "the talk." 539 00:25:05.067 --> 00:25:07.534 The talk, if you will -- every African-American 540 00:25:07.534 --> 00:25:10.133 whether the one percenters are down in the church basement 541 00:25:10.133 --> 00:25:15.801 and some of the officers at that time, and particularly the union 542 00:25:15.801 --> 00:25:19.367 president at that time, took offense at that comment because 543 00:25:19.367 --> 00:25:21.534 at the time it was being made when we were still 544 00:25:21.534 --> 00:25:24.067 in the process of grieving and burying the two officers 545 00:25:24.067 --> 00:25:26.234 who had just been murdered. 546 00:25:26.234 --> 00:25:30.200 And the comment was from the union president that the mayor 547 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:35.701 had blood on his hands, and cops oftentimes are responsive 548 00:25:35.701 --> 00:25:39.000 to their union leadership, sometimes more responsive 549 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.200 to their commissioners and chiefs. 550 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.767 And they responded to that allegation in a way that 551 00:25:45.767 --> 00:25:49.467 I thought was very inappropriate that I think most people thought 552 00:25:49.467 --> 00:25:53.367 was inappropriate, turning their back on this well-intended 553 00:25:53.367 --> 00:25:55.567 individual -- well-intended in terms of his instructions 554 00:25:55.567 --> 00:25:59.033 to his son and well-intended in his concerns for the safety 555 00:25:59.033 --> 00:26:02.400 of New York City Police Officers but there is a disconnect and 556 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:05.667 one of the frustrations I have as I leave office that Jimmy is 557 00:26:05.667 --> 00:26:09.868 going to have to try and address is this gulf that still exists 558 00:26:09.868 --> 00:26:13.601 between my mayor and my cops. 559 00:26:13.601 --> 00:26:18.100 I think we have been able to move forward despite that 560 00:26:18.100 --> 00:26:22.234 with the continuing reduction in crime and continued reduction 561 00:26:22.234 --> 00:26:25.534 in citizen complaints against my officers, so that all that you 562 00:26:25.534 --> 00:26:28.567 would expect of the department is occurring, but what is not 563 00:26:28.567 --> 00:26:31.601 occurring is respect for the mayor of this city. 564 00:26:31.601 --> 00:26:34.434 Two last questions, number one legacy. 565 00:26:34.434 --> 00:26:38.000 Will it be what you have done to reduce crime or will it be 566 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.467 in a sense what you have had to deal with when you came here 567 00:26:41.467 --> 00:26:46.200 for your second term to the Big Apple, as you say, 568 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:48.267 in terms of reform? 569 00:26:48.267 --> 00:26:50.300 I'll leave the legacy issue to the historians 570 00:26:50.300 --> 00:26:54.133 because as we know it's usually best determined at a distance. 571 00:26:54.133 --> 00:26:54.734 Yes. 572 00:26:54.734 --> 00:26:58.067 And in terms of my own sense of self, that 573 00:26:58.067 --> 00:27:02.000 I think I have played a critical role in American policing over 574 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:06.467 these 45 years, particularly over these last 25, in helping 575 00:27:06.467 --> 00:27:11.434 to move it into an embrace of community policing -- 576 00:27:11.434 --> 00:27:14.434 neighborhood policing, an embrace of better use of 577 00:27:14.434 --> 00:27:18.734 technology, an embrace of Sir Robert Peel's nine principles, 578 00:27:18.734 --> 00:27:19.734 the idea that -- 579 00:27:19.734 --> 00:27:21.000 This is 1819 or something? 580 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:22.200 1829. 581 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.968 If you read those nine they are more appropriate today 582 00:27:24.968 --> 00:27:26.234 than they were back then. 583 00:27:26.234 --> 00:27:30.000 And I think I played a very significant role along with 584 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.467 Jack Maple and 38,000 New York cops back in the '90s 585 00:27:33.467 --> 00:27:35.300 on showing America -- 586 00:27:35.300 --> 00:27:36.334 We all remember Jack Maple. 587 00:27:36.334 --> 00:27:37.634 -- that something could be done 588 00:27:37.634 --> 00:27:40.000 about crime. 589 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.267 Governor Cuomo, Mario Cuomo, the first governor, 1989, when 590 00:27:43.267 --> 00:27:46.300 he was being considered for president, made a comment when 591 00:27:46.300 --> 00:27:48.734 I was coming in to New York as chief of transfer police, and 592 00:27:48.734 --> 00:27:50.801 the horrific crime at that time -- worst crime year ever 593 00:27:50.801 --> 00:27:52.367 in the city or the country. 594 00:27:52.367 --> 00:27:55.067 When I asked about crime, he made a comment which was very 595 00:27:55.067 --> 00:27:58.601 unusual for the governor because my sense of him was always an 596 00:27:58.601 --> 00:28:01.801 optimist about what government could do, said something to 597 00:28:01.801 --> 00:28:05.667 the effect, well maybe this is as good as it gets -- 2,200 598 00:28:05.667 --> 00:28:09.868 murders in the streets of New York and 5,700 people shot. 599 00:28:09.868 --> 00:28:14.767 And what we proved was that police count -- cops matter. 600 00:28:14.767 --> 00:28:16.868 And how do they count, how do they matter? 601 00:28:16.868 --> 00:28:19.634 We believe we could do something about crime and we did it. 602 00:28:19.634 --> 00:28:24.033 All the sociologists were saying that it couldn't be done, 603 00:28:24.033 --> 00:28:25.868 that police could have no impact on crime. 604 00:28:25.868 --> 00:28:28.834 We had to change racism, poverty, the economy, 605 00:28:28.834 --> 00:28:30.367 the weather. 606 00:28:30.367 --> 00:28:32.801 When you talk about where does it begin, I believe and maybe 607 00:28:32.801 --> 00:28:35.334 it's a reflection of my personality, it begins with 608 00:28:35.334 --> 00:28:38.801 optimism that you can in fact do something. 609 00:28:38.801 --> 00:28:42.834 And in the late '80s, we have given up that we could do 610 00:28:42.834 --> 00:28:45.467 anything about crime. 611 00:28:45.467 --> 00:28:46.334 I did not. 612 00:28:46.334 --> 00:28:49.434 I really believed -- I love my profession and believed 613 00:28:49.434 --> 00:28:52.701 we could do something about it, and we did. 614 00:28:52.701 --> 00:28:54.601 And it began with optimism. 615 00:28:54.601 --> 00:28:57.534 It was certainly enabled by I think, leadership. 616 00:28:57.534 --> 00:29:02.100 But it was enabled by a lot of very smart, dedicated people 617 00:29:02.100 --> 00:29:03.400 thinking about the issue... 618 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:04.367 In a new way. 619 00:29:04.367 --> 00:29:06.901 Maple, Miller... John Timoney, 620 00:29:06.901 --> 00:29:10.133 and we did it and continue to do it and 25 years later, 621 00:29:10.133 --> 00:29:11.400 it's still going down. 622 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.934 As I've said in the beginning, you've made your 623 00:29:12.934 --> 00:29:16.567 way to this table a number of times, and when you came in, 624 00:29:16.567 --> 00:29:22.667 you said to me "I just love public service. 625 00:29:22.667 --> 00:29:24.067 I love public service. 626 00:29:24.067 --> 00:29:25.934 That's the reason I'm doing this." 627 00:29:25.934 --> 00:29:28.067 You're leaving public service. 628 00:29:28.067 --> 00:29:32.334 Now you leaving to go work for a private advisory firm, 629 00:29:32.334 --> 00:29:36.067 which has its clients, huge corporations which face 630 00:29:36.067 --> 00:29:38.667 all kinds of huge contemporary problems beyond simply 631 00:29:38.667 --> 00:29:42.467 making a profit, having to do with terrorism, having to do 632 00:29:42.467 --> 00:29:45.968 with lone shooters, having to do with a whole range of issues 633 00:29:45.968 --> 00:29:50.000 now, having to do with hacking -- a whole range of new problems 634 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.968 and whatever the advisory firm Teneo does, 635 00:29:52.968 --> 00:29:57.033 you will be heading up a risk group there. 636 00:29:57.033 --> 00:29:58.501 That's right. 637 00:29:58.501 --> 00:30:01.267 Why was this the place you chose to go? 638 00:30:01.267 --> 00:30:05.400 What was it about, beyond the money, to leave what you said 639 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:11.601 was so in your blood, public life? 640 00:30:11.601 --> 00:30:13.734 You had defined your reputation. 641 00:30:13.734 --> 00:30:18.701 You had done everything that most people knew in your role 642 00:30:18.701 --> 00:30:21.234 as a public servant. 643 00:30:21.234 --> 00:30:22.968 Two things happened this past year, 644 00:30:22.968 --> 00:30:27.767 Charlie, that my father passed away after an illness and 645 00:30:27.767 --> 00:30:34.200 if that illness had continued, I would have been in very 646 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.133 significant financial difficulty trying to arrange for 647 00:30:37.133 --> 00:30:39.100 the best of care for him. 648 00:30:39.100 --> 00:30:43.501 But I'm not a person of means, that I worked in 649 00:30:43.501 --> 00:30:44.834 the public sector most of my life. 650 00:30:44.834 --> 00:30:48.200 I have several relatively small pensions from several 651 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.834 of those assignments. 652 00:30:49.834 --> 00:30:55.601 And to take this job, I was giving up at the time 653 00:30:55.601 --> 00:30:59.100 a significant seven figure income. 654 00:30:59.100 --> 00:31:02.133 And you know, over the last several years, 655 00:31:02.133 --> 00:31:05.367 this job has really cost me a $1 million a year. 656 00:31:05.367 --> 00:31:08.801 And when faced with my dad's situation, I realized how 657 00:31:08.801 --> 00:31:13.701 fragile my financial situation was for me and my wife, 658 00:31:13.701 --> 00:31:15.968 but also for my extended family. 659 00:31:15.968 --> 00:31:18.734 I want to be able to take care of my grandkids, 660 00:31:18.734 --> 00:31:20.133 their college needs. 661 00:31:20.133 --> 00:31:23.033 I want to be sure I can take care of my needs, my wife's 662 00:31:23.033 --> 00:31:26.801 needs as we go into our 70's, which is not too far away. 663 00:31:26.801 --> 00:31:30.000 And so, I have to leave something I love into something 664 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.467 that is also going to be interesting and challenging, 665 00:31:33.467 --> 00:31:38.367 but financially, able to allow me to have a degree of comfort 666 00:31:38.367 --> 00:31:41.701 that I cannot have in the public sector that I can take care of 667 00:31:41.701 --> 00:31:46.100 my wife and I as we go into an older age. 668 00:31:46.100 --> 00:31:48.434 But then I can also take care of my grandkids who I love dearly 669 00:31:48.434 --> 00:31:52.100 and want to be able to take care of them, in terms of, 670 00:31:52.100 --> 00:31:54.267 $100,000 a year college tuitions. 671 00:31:54.267 --> 00:31:57.634 And so I have that -- I have new challenge, taking skills I've 672 00:31:57.634 --> 00:32:01.634 acquired in new environments which I'll find interesting 673 00:32:01.634 --> 00:32:04.767 with a company that I've researched extensively that is 674 00:32:04.767 --> 00:32:07.434 extraordinarily talented people working with 675 00:32:07.434 --> 00:32:08.734 some of the smartest people. 676 00:32:08.734 --> 00:32:12.901 I will still stay aware and mindful and potentially 677 00:32:12.901 --> 00:32:16.133 engage in the public debates, if you will. 678 00:32:16.133 --> 00:32:18.601 And if asked for advice, will be happy to give that. 679 00:32:18.601 --> 00:32:19.601 Well, you're always welcome at this table. 680 00:32:19.601 --> 00:32:20.934 Thank you for coming here. 681 00:32:20.934 --> 00:32:22.100 Thank you, I appreciate it. 682 00:32:22.100 --> 00:32:25.133 Bill Bratton leaving the New York City Police 683 00:32:25.133 --> 00:32:28.968 Department after 45 years of service as a police officer 684 00:32:28.968 --> 00:32:32.501 beginning in 1970. 685 00:32:32.501 --> 00:32:34.400 Thank you for joining us. 686 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:35.434 We'll be right back.